Islamist gun men attack Dallas art event

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We've arrived at 2nd grade level.

I decided to join you & your partner.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It's gonna be hard to beat the neener neener argument.

Well, one might take a stab at lowering that 2nd grade discussion level to pre-K.

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Well, one might take a stab at lowering that 2nd grade discussion level to pre-K.

its coming. I have faith in you Edited May 5, 2015 by -relo-

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

What??

I'm showing how when the abortion clinic bombers did those horrible things, even when one of them says"he did it for Jesus on his birthday", they weren't called Christians. Even the ones who quoted scriptures aren't called Christians. Because they committed horrible acts, they aren't Christians.

But Muslims do not carry the same distinction. If we do something, we're identified as Muslims, first and foremost. Whether good or bad.

This is a Christian country, founded on those principles. But you're only identified as a Christian IF you're doing something positive. The WBC, who spew hate while talking about the Bible will never be identified as Christians, even though they get their message directly from the good book.

See the difference?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Well, one might take a stab at lowering that 2nd grade discussion level to pre-K.

I miss AJ. At least he made it interesting....

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I miss AJ. At least he made it interesting....

go see him. he's on disqus

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

go see him. he's on disqus

What's his handle?

[B_J 2,752]

I'm showing how when the abortion clinic bombers did those horrible things, even when one of them says"he did it for Jesus on his birthday", they weren't called Christians. Even the ones who quoted scriptures aren't called Christians. Because they committed horrible acts, they aren't Christians.

But Muslims do not carry the same distinction. If we do something, we're identified as Muslims, first and foremost. Whether good or bad.

This is a Christian country, founded on those principles. But you're only identified as a Christian IF you're doing something positive. The WBC, who spew hate while talking about the Bible will never be identified as Christians, even though they get their message directly from the good book.

See the difference?

I don't remember any big discussion about whether they were Christian or not. If you were to force me to describe them, I would call them Christian terrorists.

A person's Christianity is not based on what they do or do not do. It is based on their belief. It is about grace, forgiveness. I simply refuse to look at somebody's actions and say, "Well, because they did that, they are not a Christian." That is simply not my call to make. So, if a person claims to be Christian, I'm not going to argue with them. That is between them and God.

I know almost nothing about the tenets of Islam, so I have no idea if certain actions disqualify someone from being Muslim. But I am pretty comfortable saying that I don't know the action that could cause somebody to lose their Christianity IF they sincerely gave their heart to Christ. I would like to think that a Christian would not do certain things, but I truly am not in a position to judge others.

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What's his handle?

FB him & ask him.

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I don't remember any big discussion about whether they were Christian or not. If you were to force me to describe them, I would call them Christian terrorists.

A person's Christianity is not based on what they do or do not do. It is based on their belief. It is about grace, forgiveness. I simply refuse to look at somebody's actions and say, "Well, because they did that, they are not a Christian." That is simply not my call to make. So, if a person claims to be Christian, I'm not going to argue with them. That is between them and God.

I know almost nothing about the tenets of Islam, so I have no idea if certain actions disqualify someone from being Muslim. But I am pretty comfortable saying that I don't know the action that could cause somebody to lose their Christianity IF they sincerely gave their heart to Christ. I would like to think that a Christian would not do certain things, but I truly am not in a position to judge others.

Truth. I'm talking about as a whole. I come from a Christian family. Very. And I know that you can't murder a room full of people and claim to be a Christian. The same rule applies as a Muslim.

I was talking about how in this country there isn't a Christian terrorist. The bombers would be the equivalent of this, but they will never be called this.

FB him & ask him.

AJ, is that you?

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I disagree with the notion that this was a bait attempt towards Islam given that many sects of Islam don't see an issue with it.

Personally I don't care what peoples views are in this thread as long as no one here says that such activity should be banned. Then I take issue.

If we tolerate the bigots of Westboro Baptist Church, we can tolerate this without killing people.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I disagree with the notion that this was a bait attempt towards Islam given that many sects of Islam don't see an issue with it.

Personally I don't care what peoples views are in this thread as long as no one here says that such activity should be banned. Then I take issue.

If we tolerate the bigots of Westboro Baptist Church, we can tolerate this without killing people.

The event was designed to trigger a reaction. I think the organizers got just about what they were looking for - maybe a bit more.

Should this have been banned? Absolutely not. Should this invite a murderous response? Hell no!

But let's not act surprised either. We know these radical elements exist. No need to prove it.

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I disagree with the notion that this was a bait attempt towards Islam given that many sects of Islam don't see an issue with it.

Personally I don't care what peoples views are in this thread as long as no one here says that such activity should be banned. Then I take issue.

If we tolerate the bigots of Westboro Baptist Church, we can tolerate this without killing people.

If that were true, why was the focus on the Prophet? $10,000 for the best "drawing"? Not to mention the guest speaker was Pam Gellar.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04/us/what-is-american-freedom-defense-initiative/index.html

The American Freedom Defense Initiative says it has several tenets, including:

• Freedom of speech, "as opposed to Islamic prohibitions of 'blasphemy' and 'slander,'" which quash open dialogue about jihad and Islamic supremacism, the group says.

• "The freedom of conscience -- as opposed to the Islamic death penalty for apostasy."

• Equal rights of all people, "as opposed to ... institutionalized discrimination against women and non-Muslims" in Sharia law, or strict Islamic law.

Muslims avoided this event because it was a bashing of Islam, plain and simple. They don't agree with it, but took the high road to prevent an incident. Unfortunately, that didn't happen...

[B_J 2,752]

I was talking about how in this country there isn't a Christian terrorist. The bombers would be the equivalent of this, but they will never be called this.

I just called them that, didn't I?

The bombings were a long time ago; I'm not really sure if we used the word "terrorist" much at that time. I bet if you asked people on VJ now if they consider the abortion clinic bombers to be Christian terrorists, the majority would probably say they were.

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But I really am disappointed that an event like this would take place. It is similar to the "art" that was meant to be offensive to Christians. There is no doubt that freedom of speech gives people the right to offend Muslims, Christians, or anybody else. But honestly, I can't understand why someone would want to purposely offend someone. What's the point? They just want to make sure that everyone knows they're an a$$hole?

offense is subjective..some people like to challenge the boundaries of others for the sake of progression. other people are a$$holes.