Islamist gun men attack Dallas art event

[B_J 2,752]

I hated the "art" that was put out years ago that mocked Christianity. I also hate that someone would want hold an event just to mock Islam. Without a doubt, both of these are legal and should be allowed. I just really can't understand why anybody would want to mock others and try to offend them. I just wish we were better people than that.

[GandD 5,966]

Never said they didn't. What's worse is, Muslims at a whole stand by them to do this, but you won't see anyone acknowledging it here, so I'll do it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/04/muslims-react-garland-shooting_n_7204816.html

"We condemn yesterday's attack on an anti-Islam event in Garland, Texas, without reservation," the organization declared in a statement. "We also reiterate our view that violence in response to anti-Islam programs like the one in Garland is more insulting to our faith than any cartoon, however defamatory. Bigoted speech can never be an excuse for violence."

"We should have free speech, and nobody’s stopping her from doing this, go ahead, maybe there’ll be some Muslims entering this, who knows," Salem told CBS.

Yes, we can stand up for justice, simultaneously condemning the violence of the shooters (whatever their background) and condemning the hatred of xenophobic groups who mock marginalized communities," Safi wrote on Facebook. "Let us seek a peace rooted in justice for all."

During the days leading up to the attack, the online magazine MuslimGirl.netresponded to the contest by inviting people to draw a friend named Muhammad, which happens to be a popular name for boys. Amani Al-Khatahtbeh, the site’s founding editor-in-chief, said she wanted to remind the public of the thousands of Muslims who responded to Geller’s hatred by “turning the other cheek.”

“Last night's shooting is inexcusable,” Al-Khatahtbeh told HuffPost in an email. “It serves as a reminder that hate incites hate and creates a vicious cycle. Our mission statement is even more amplified by this horrific reality -- that we must fight back against hate with love.

Not sure why you would think I think Muslims at large are/were complicit in what happened. The guys that did this, did it because of their religion. They did it because it was a slight against their prophet. They responded to a bunch of jerks being jerks with lethal force. That's what happened.

That has nothing to do with the millions of other peaceful Muslims in the world. We CAN stand up against radical Islam without standing up against Islam. Well, until Muslims start getting the population percentage necessary to start making laws based on Islamic fundamentals like our Christian majority does now. I'm against Christians telling me I can't drink and I'm against Muslims telling me I can't drink.

[B_J 2,752]

That has nothing to do with the millions of other peaceful Muslims in the world. We CAN stand up against radical Islam without standing up against Islam.

This +100

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Okay, I understand what you're saying now. A person who truly was a believer in the religion would not have done something like. That act didn't get him removed; it's just an indicator that he never truly believed.

I'm never comfortable making that judgment myself when it comes to Christianity. It's too close to making a claim that certain sins are not forgivable.

You got it.

Marvin, why don't you just say you think there should be a law against this type of "free speech"?

Because I don't. Free speech is what it is. You can say what you want.

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Not sure why you would think I think Muslims at large are/were complicit in what happened. The guys that did this, did it because of their religion. They did it because it was a slight against their prophet. They responded to a bunch of jerks being jerks with lethal force. That's what happened.

That has nothing to do with the millions of other peaceful Muslims in the world. We CAN stand up against radical Islam without standing up against Islam. Well, until Muslims start getting the population percentage necessary to start making laws based on Islamic fundamentals like our Christian majority does now. I'm against Christians telling me I can't drink and I'm against Muslims telling me I can't drink.

That's where the disconnect is. They did this because they're crazy, not because of Islam. If this was true, why aren't there millions of Muslims here who aren't going around killing non-believers?

When you say this, it's like Islam is inherently violent. The catholic molestation scandal. Do you think Catholicism had something to do with that, or was that on the men?

We don't have a problem with Radical Islam here in this country. We have other problems that eclipse this like the dark side of the moon. More people are gunned down in one week, than 3 years of "terrorism" here in the states. No one seems to see that. You're more likely to be struck by lightning than be a victim of Muslim terrorism. There seems to be this thought that if we kill each other, that's ok. Just as long as it's not a Muslim, then we have a problem...

Edited May 8, 2015 by Stay Woke

[GandD 5,966]

That's where the disconnect is. They did this because they're crazy, not because of Islam. If this was true, why aren't there millions of Muslims here who aren't going around killing non-believers?

When you say this, it's like Islam is inherently violent. The catholic molestation scandal. Do you think Catholicism had something to do with that, or was that on the men?

Did God tell them to do it? Did they molest children because of something they read in the Bible? The disconnect for you, Marvin, is motive. Why does someone do something. Not what the person that did something is. If a Muslim guy kills a Christian guy because they got into a fight over the price of beans in China, their religion doesn't matter. If a Muslim guy kills a Christian guy because he insults the prophet Muhammed, then its a different ball game now isn't it?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I hated the "art" that was put out years ago that mocked Christianity. I also hate that someone would want hold an event just to mock Islam. Without a doubt, both of these are legal and should be allowed. I just really can't understand why anybody would want to mock others and try to offend them. I just wish we were better people than that.

Same reason why racism and bigotry exists today. It's what they know...

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Did God tell them to do it? Did they molest children because of something they read in the Bible? The disconnect for you, Marvin, is motive. Why does someone do something. Not what the person that did something is. If a Muslim guy kills a Christian guy because they got into a fight over the price of beans in China, their religion doesn't matter. If a Muslim guy kills a Christian guy because he insults the prophet Muhammed, then its a different ball game now isn't it?

No it isn't.

When the abortion bombers went and blew up those clinics and killed those people, does that mean that Christianity is inherently violent because they were quoting the bible when they did it? When the WBC goes and protests funerals screaming verses from the good book, does that make what they're doing right? When the KKK uses the bible to justify racism and slavery, does that mean that Christianity is promoting such things?

If I say I beat someone up over what they say about Islam, whose fault is it? Mine or the Quran?

[GandD 5,966]

No it isn't.

When the abortion bombers went and blew up those clinics and killed those people, does that mean that Christianity is inherently violent because they were quoting the bible when they did it? When the WBC goes and protests funerals screaming verses from the good book, does that make what they're doing right? When the KKK uses the bible to justify racism and slavery, does that mean that Christianity is promoting such things?

If I say I beat someone up over what they say about Islam, whose fault is it? Mine or the Quran?

But Christians do in fact use Christianity to radicalize people. Abortion bombers are doing something in the name of Christianity based directly on its teachings. Radicalized Christians that mean to do harm to others are a problem and we should all stand up to them.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Why can't we just stand up to and deal with criminals? Why does it matter whether radicalized religious doctrine or something else drives them to commit crime? At the end of the day, they are criminals and ought to be dealt with as such. I don't get that whole focus on the alleged faith of these perps - whatever that faith happens to be.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Why can't we just stand up to and deal with criminals? Why does it matter whether radicalized religious doctrine or something else drives them to commit crime? At the end of the day, they are criminals and ought to be dealt with as such. I don't get that whole focus on the alleged faith of these perps - whatever that faith happens to be.

Because there are those who only want to associate certain acts with race, sex and religion instead of understanding crazies come in all types of religions, sexes and colors.

I agree, we should just stand up and deal with criminals and those who want to impose on others rights. Why should we stand by and let others mock someone's religion? Sure we have free speech, but up until when does it change from free speech to infringing on someone's personal right?

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I don't get that whole focus on the alleged faith of these perps - whatever that faith happens to be.

When we thought they were Muslims, obviously we now know better, the connection was that they were carrying out these attempted murders in the name of Allah.

Now I have no idea what their motivation was.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

But Christians do in fact use Christianity to radicalize people. Abortion bombers are doing something in the name of Christianity based directly on its teachings. Radicalized Christians that mean to do harm to others are a problem and we should all stand up to them.

But does that mean that Christianity is inherently flawed? Or is it the person doing those deeds took it out of context?

You can use anything to justify horrible deeds.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

When we thought they were Muslims, obviously we now know better, the connection was that they were carrying out these attempted murders in the name of Allah.

Now I have no idea what their motivation was.

If I had to take a guess, I'd say their primary motive was to terrorize by murdering people at an event. Terrorizing others is usually what motivates terrorists to do their dirty deeds. Makes them feel powerful. Gives them a rush. Well, it actually gave these two dildos a bullet each. Better that way.

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• Just minutes before the attack took place, an Twitter account with the username “Shariah is Light” posted a message saying “may Allah accept us as mujahideen” and ending “#texasattack”. The account was suspended soon after.