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[Together4ever 1]

Because his actions are in contradiction to the teachings of Islam... or at least as interpreted by the majority which is where this all gets really dicey and its unlikely there will be an agreement.

ok i see your point but a lot would say my lack of wearing the veil is in contradiction to the teachings of Islam. A lot say drinking is too. I don't think that automatically takes them out of the umma though do you?

Always appears to be in the eye of the beholder (interpreter).

[doodlebug 3]

To me, my brother/my sister indicates more than a shared religion, it is a term of respect/fellowship. I don't extend those feelings to terrorists.

I thought that was the problem!! That makes sense then why all the hub ub over the term. I have a sister that I haven't talked to nor do I feel love for in a long long time, but I still call her my sister just because of the fact that she's my bio sister.

[peezey 0]

Because his actions are in contradiction to the teachings of Islam... or at least as interpreted by the majority which is where this all gets really dicey and its unlikely there will be an agreement.

ok i see your point but a lot would say my lack of wearing the veil is in contradiction to the teachings of Islam. A lot say drinking is too. I don't think that automatically takes them out of the umma though do you?

I don't think anyone in their right mind equates wearing or not wearing hijab and/or drinking or not drinking to terrorism.

[UmmSqueakster 54]

From an Islamic perspective, there are 3 kinds of brotherhood:

Biological, Humanity (Bani Adam, the tribe of Adam) and Religious. Technically everyone on earth is a brother to one another through Bani Adam. Muslims as believers, right or wrong, are brothers according to the Qur'an.

All believers are but brethren (ikhwah). Hence, make peace between your two brethren, and remain conscious of God, so that you might be graced with His mercy.

Qur'an 49:10

From Bukhari - Anas reported that the Messenger of Allah, (saws), said, "Help your brother, wronging or wronged." A man said, "Messenger of Allah, I can help him if he is wronged but tell me how I can help him if he is wronging?" He said, "You can restrain him - or prevent him - from injustice. That is helping him."

Edited February 16, 2007 by rahma

[doodlebug 3]

Because his actions are in contradiction to the teachings of Islam... or at least as interpreted by the majority which is where this all gets really dicey and its unlikely there will be an agreement.

ok i see your point but a lot would say my lack of wearing the veil is in contradiction to the teachings of Islam. A lot say drinking is too. I don't think that automatically takes them out of the umma though do you?

I don't think anyone in their right mind equates wearing or not wearing hijab and/or drinking or not drinking to terrorism.

What the heck????? We're soooo not on the same wavelength here. I never stated that wearing hijab or drinking = terrorism!

The issue was what determines someone to be kicked out of the umma, i.e. kicked out of the Islamic faith. In all my readings I have never heard that terorrism is a factor. What I have always thought to be true is if someone denies that there is only One God and that Mohammed is His messenger, then he/she is no longer a muslim. Not, if you have committed such and such heinous acts you are no longer muslim.

[Bosco 1]

I could pull out the quotes later, but don't have the time now. I equate terrorism with a war against Islam rather than merely a brother/sister who is wronging. My views about terrorists therefore are more consistent with ahadith and ayat that deal with how we treat those who make war against us.

I find it implausible that anyone can think of many things that have crossed greater harm to the faith, and thus why I think terrorists have taken war against Islam, despite any pleas they may make that it is for or in the name of Islam.

Edited February 16, 2007 by Bosco

[peezey 0]

Because his actions are in contradiction to the teachings of Islam... or at least as interpreted by the majority which is where this all gets really dicey and its unlikely there will be an agreement.

ok i see your point but a lot would say my lack of wearing the veil is in contradiction to the teachings of Islam. A lot say drinking is too. I don't think that automatically takes them out of the umma though do you?

I don't think anyone in their right mind equates wearing or not wearing hijab and/or drinking or not drinking to terrorism.

What the heck????? We're soooo not on the same wavelength here. I never stated that wearing hijab or drinking = terrorism!

You said these things are contradictions to the teachings of Islam, the same as Jean said terrorism is. So in fact, you are asking if these things are equal in that one wouldn't consider another a brother/sister in Islam if one took part in these acts. I said, of course not in relation to hijab & drinking, they are not even in the same universe as terrorism.

I know Muslims think for themselves,so, many do not consider terrorists brothers/sisters, no matter who accepts one God and the Prophet.

[doodlebug 3]

You said these things are contradictions to the teachings of Islam, the same as Jean said terrorism is. So in fact, you are asking if these things are equal in that one wouldn't consider another a brother/sister in Islam if one took part in these acts. I said, of course not in relation to hijab & drinking, they are not even in the same universe as terrorism.

I know Muslims think for themselves,so, many do not consider terrorists brothers/sisters, no matter who accepts one God and the Prophet.

I really think you're putting words in people's mouths in this thread. It's almost like you want to argue instead of have a conversation. I don't wanna play that game so I'm out. let's see who's "it" next.

[peezey 0]

You said these things are contradictions to the teachings of Islam, the same as Jean said terrorism is. So in fact, you are asking if these things are equal in that one wouldn't consider another a brother/sister in Islam if one took part in these acts. I said, of course not in relation to hijab & drinking, they are not even in the same universe as terrorism.

I know Muslims think for themselves,so, many do not consider terrorists brothers/sisters, no matter who accepts one God and the Prophet.

I really think you're putting words in people's mouths in this thread. It's almost like you want to argue instead of have a conversation. I don't wanna play that game so I'm out. let's see who's "it" next.

If you didn't make this correlation about "getting kicked out of the ummah", then what did you mean?

Wearing hijab and drinking is between a muslim and God.

Terrorism affects the entire ummah.

[Quran 5:32] "......, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. "

[Ban Hammer 13,283]

You said these things are contradictions to the teachings of Islam, the same as Jean said terrorism is. So in fact, you are asking if these things are equal in that one wouldn't consider another a brother/sister in Islam if one took part in these acts. I said, of course not in relation to hijab & drinking, they are not even in the same universe as terrorism.

I know Muslims think for themselves,so, many do not consider terrorists brothers/sisters, no matter who accepts one God and the Prophet.

I really think you're putting words in people's mouths in this thread. It's almost like you want to argue instead of have a conversation. I don't wanna play that game so I'm out. let's see who's "it" next.

me me me me!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

As I said before, there are those who repudiate terrorism, but still refer to those with whom they disagree as "brothers and sisters in Islam". I call Christianity and Judaism brothers and sister faiths to Islam, and some hate that. In fact, I hear there is a rumor circulating here in pms by some that I'm really a Jew pretending to be a Muslim because I don't dislike Jews, and I believe that there will Christians and Jews in paradise because that's not somethng a "real Muslim" would do. Now, that's sad!

Edited February 16, 2007 by Green-eyed girl

[UmmSqueakster 54]

I could pull out the quotes later, but don't have the time now. I equate terrorism with a war against Islam rather than merely a brother/sister who is wronging. My views about terrorists therefore are more consistent with ahadith and ayat that deal with how we treat those who make war against us.

I find it implausible that anyone can think of many things that have crossed greater harm to the faith, and thus why I think terrorists have taken war against Islam, despite any pleas they may make that it is for or in the name of Islam.

A wrong done by one muslim to another, or to non muslims, at least IMHO could be anything for refusing a friendly greeting all the way up until killing. Injustice is can be found in wronging at every level. The prophet (saws) was sent to stand as an image of justice, against the injustices of society. These injustices included violence, economic disparity and arogence, among other things.

If it's a war against islam, it is a symptom of a lack of authority. When several tribes refused to pay zakat following the death of the Prophet (saws), we had the authority figure of Abu Bakr (ra) to decide to go to war. Who has the authority to make war in Islam? These terroristas think that they have authority to defend Islam. Who has authority to stand against them? Can we fight them by undercutting their alleged authority?

I am unsure how sharia re: warfare is applied without a caliph. Wish we had a caliph.

[Ban Hammer 13,283]

As I said before, there are those who repudiate terrorism, but still refer to those with whom they disagree as "brothers and sisters in Islam". I call Christianity and Judaism brothers and sister faiths to Islam, and some hate that. In fact, I hear there is a rumor circulating here in pms by some that I'm really a Jew pretending to be a Muslim because I don't dislike Jews, and I believe that there will Christians and Jews in paradise because that's not somethng a "real Muslim" would do. Now, that's sad!

and i'm the son of the devil along with being a zionist

[Bosco 1]

and the cabal theories resurface

[Ban Hammer 13,283]

and the cabal theories resurface

there is a thread to support her statement, ya know.