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[Bosco 1]

I think its a shame the good Muslims are profiled and many have to undergo searches, questioning, etc. But please, it isn't just the Arabs going through this. I'VE experienced it and I've seen little old white ladies experiencing it! .......Muslims should be angry at the actual terrorists for causing this to happen, not the airlines or TSA. Of course there are officers who take this too far. Asking questions about someone's sex life at the airport really is shocking and completely inappropriate. Its unfortunate.

You are implying that anger at the TSA/airline policies indicates an absence of anger at the terrorists, and this is the second time basically stated as such.

Why do you feel that frustration/anger with the policies indicates an absence of anger at the terrorists? Is it impossible to absolutely condemn what the terrorists have done but still think the policies are wrong? This type of language sounds like Bush rhetoric to me -- You are either with us (the policies) or with the terrorists.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

People have every right to be flamed. It goes along with freedom of speech.

be sure to show that part of the tos to ewok

[sereia 0]

Hmm thats how I feel about this board! Being a conservative (but not a Bush supporter), I really don't see myself being able to fit in when we have political conversations. I think after this topic I really should keep my trap shut about politics because we're never going to agree and I didn't come here to fight. Or certaintly not to get called arrogant or a stupid American. I can do that without logging in!!!!!!!! Arguing on the internet seems really pointless because I've noticed so many people misinterpreting each other's intentions and words (not just my own)... Then the back and forth fight occurs and .........here we are, 10 pages later... I totally see what GEG was trying to say, why can't some of you? I think you all totally misinterpreted her as well. Is it because of your resentment towards her and I'm too new feel it? Anyway............

You nit picked each thing I said and then totally misinterpret again! I didn't imply that there was a 100% absence at anger towards the terrorists. Look at moderate muslims like Irshad Manji and others who speak out against them. Can anyone be confident enough to say ANYTHING is 100%? Or like Bush says, "For us or against us...."?

Of course its not impossible to be angry at terrorists but still think the polices are wrong! But I do believe you all were complaining about profiling at airports and wonder why anyone would do such a thing. That its such a crime. So then whats the solution?

Btw, Aquol I totally agree with your latest comment. Who knows where it ends. I do understand that..... But again, what is the solution? Maybe we just need to hire more staff and search each and every person. Would you all prefer that? The standard waiting at the airport for your flight would be searches, background checks before you even step in the airport, all your luggage scrutinized, and asked an hour of intense questions? Or do you prefer we stop all this and let everyone in? Or do we only do this to randomly chosen people of all backgrounds? What IS the solution?

[Jenn! 918]

I totally see what GEG was trying to say, why can't some of you? I think you all totally misinterpreted her as well. Is it because of your resentment towards her and I'm too new feel it? Anyway............

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You nit picked each thing I said and then totally misinterpret again!

I really don't think it's misinterpretation, it's just disagreement.

[sereia 0]

ummm no,

"Why do you feel that frustration/anger with the policies indicates an absence of anger at the terrorists?"

I do not feel that way.

and telling me I put your husband, others husbands and fiances, and my fiance in the category of a terrorist?

UMMMM NO again.

[sereia 0]

ummm no,

"Why do you feel that frustration/anger with the policies indicates an absence of anger at the terrorists?"

I do not feel that way.

and telling me I put your husband, others husbands and fiances, and my fiance in the category of a terrorist?

UMMMM NO again.

These are not disagreements. They are misunderstandings.

Edited February 16, 2007 by abdounjen

[Jenn! 918]

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Edited February 16, 2007 by jenn3539

[Bosco 1]

Hmm thats how I feel about this board! Being a conservative (but not a Bush supporter), I really don't see myself being able to fit in when we have political conversations. I think after this topic I really should keep my trap shut about politics because we're never going to agree and I didn't come here to fight. Or certaintly not to get called arrogant or a stupid American. I can do that without logging in!!!!!!!! Arguing on the internet seems really pointless because I've noticed so many people misinterpreting each other's intentions and words (not just my own)... Then the back and forth fight occurs and .........here we are, 10 pages later... I totally see what GEG was trying to say, why can't some of you? I think you all totally misinterpreted her as well. Is it because of your resentment towards her and I'm too new feel it? Anyway............

You nit picked each thing I said and then totally misinterpret again! I didn't imply that there was a 100% absence at anger towards the terrorists. Look at moderate muslims like Irshad Manji and others who speak out against them. Can anyone be confident enough to say ANYTHING is 100%? Or like Bush says, "For us or against us...."?

Of course its not impossible to be angry at terrorists but still think the polices are wrong! But I do believe you all were complaining about profiling at airports and wonder why anyone would do such a thing. That its such a crime. So then whats the solution?

Btw, Aquol I totally agree with your latest comment. Who knows where it ends. I do understand that..... But again, what is the solution? Maybe we just need to hire more staff and search each and every person. Would you all prefer that? The standard waiting at the airport for your flight would be searches, background checks before you even step in the airport, all your luggage scrutinized, and asked an hour of intense questions? Or do you prefer we stop all this and let everyone in? Or do we only do this to randomly chosen

people of all backgrounds? What IS the solution?

Do you actual consider Irshad Manji a moderate Muslim? This would probably come out sounding harsh, but if you think she is moderate, you are far, far out of touch with mainstream Islam and the Muslim community. While not impossible, you would be hard pressed to find Muslims that consider her a moderate voice (perhaps GEG does). Even some of the most liberal, progressive Muslims who feel alcohol should be permissible, women should lead prayer, and that Muslims can be atheist find her to be nothing but a basher of Islam. She is hardly considered a moderate voice by *most* (not all) Muslims and is chalked up to be the kind of person that makes Islamophobes feel secure in their prejudice. Of course since she says Israel is a model nation for the Middle East, she has her appeal for many.

You say "But I do believe you all were complaining about profiling at airports and wonder why anyone would do such a thing." Since you say you are not understood, what were you trying to imply other than you think the women in tihs forum are stupid with this statement?

[sereia 0]

I'm asking WHAT IS THE SOLUTION. No one seems to come up with anything.

[sereia 0]

btw i was using her as an example regarding this topic, and this topic alone. muslims who speak out against some of the atrocities their fellow brothers and sisters are doing!

talking about what is and who is and who is not moderate islam is another topic.

Edited February 16, 2007 by abdounjen

[Jenn! 918]

[~Jackie~ 30]

jenn for you

jackie

[Bosco 1]

btw i was using her as an example regarding this topic, and this topic alone. muslims who speak out against some of the atrocities their fellow brothers and sisters are doing!

talking about what is and who is and who is not moderate islam is another topic.

Our "fellow brothers and sisters"? What kind of vitriol is this? People associating terrorism with every Muslim in the world, calling terrorists "our brothers and sisters". Seriously, this kind of talk makes me sick to my stomach. Who are you to call a terrorist my brother, my sister, because they claim to share the same religion I practice?

You labeled Manji moderate; I addressed it. Now it is another topic. Fill me in on the rest of the rules while you are at it. But given your new restrictions on the topic at hand, there have been petitions signed by darn near a million Muslims in this country alone and prominent Muslims from every end of the spectrum that have spoken out against terrorism.

[~Jackie~ 30]

We're flying on Royal Jordanian next week. If they profile the whole plane we'll never get off the ground

Jackie

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Irshad Manji is an example of what the media holds out as a moderate Muslim, and I mentioned before that, in mainstream media, Arabs and Muslims are talked ABOUT by non-Arab, non-Muslims, but rarely by themselves. It's no wonder that jen pointed her out. Why not? She's put out there in the public eye by those who purport to speak for us. She's becoming a hand-picked "Muslim leader" as are Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton picked to be "Black leaders".

However, denouncing terrorism, gay zionist Muslims, or anything else is irrelevant when it comes to airline security. It also has NADA to do with the Italian Mafia or black street crime. Those are nothing but red herrings, and herrings stink if held out too long.

The bottom line is, when it comes to airline security, Muslims will be suspected because some people who call themelves Muslim believe in using planes to kill in the name of God. Let's not lose that fact in the rush to blame anyone and everyone else for their reaction to that reality. You can like it, you can lump it, but it's the reality we live with.

Edited February 16, 2007 by Green-eyed girl