Freddie Gray's Death Ruled A Homicide; Officers Will Face Murder Charges

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Are any of these lives more valued than the hundreds that are lost every year in Baltimore?

When I was little, a boy I knew was beaten to death with baseball bats outside his school bus stop by a gang. Was his life worth more than Freddie? Who rioted and protested for him? Who protests for any of those lost? That's what unsettles me. I'd like people to be upset and actually do something to help their city, instead of getting angry, destroying it, and then forgetting about it eventually.

Sadly I feel that's what's going to happen here again.

To me, any life lost is a tragedy. Period.

I'm not the one in CHEST who think lives are less valuable because of the color of someone's skin.

So I'm presenting false facts which are available from the US Government, but you make a claim on your own and that's really the truth?

You are right, because we all know the U.S. Government is NEVER wrong about the facts they present. This is laughable.

They are only believable when it comes to giving out lies about black people. You're killing me Spooky

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Teen faces higher bail than Baltimore cops accused of murder

05/01/15 07:31 PM —UPDATED 05/02/15 11:34 AM

By Adam Howard

Allen Bullock, a Baltimore teen arrested for smashing a police car window with a traffic cone amid the Freddie Gray protests last week, is reportedly being held on a higher bail than the officers charged on Friday in Gray’s death.

Bullock, 18, who voluntarily surrendered to authorities at the urging of his parents, is being held on$500,000 bail, while the six officers accused in the Gray case were held on a range of $250,000 to $350,000, according to the Associated Press. NBC News has confirmed that all six officers arrested for Gray’s death have since been bailed out. Bail hearings are not open to the public in the state of Maryland.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/teen-faces-higher-bail-baltimore-cops-accused-murder

Edited May 5, 2015 by Janelle2002

[spookyturtle 9,466]

When you put someone in prison early in life, they are more likely to end up with connections with people who ARE hardened criminals. So by putting people in prison on a first drug offense (which often happens to people of colour), you put them into a pool of criminals and you remove their ability to make money through legitimate means (which happens, unfortunately, to people with non-violent drug offenses--they are unable to get any kind of job that would get them a living wage) and so they learn that the only people who will have their backs are the gangs they met in prison.

So by isolating people from society for non-violent offenses, the prison system and the police system actually creates murderers.

I agree about the prison system, but I also believe that a person is basically responsible for their own behavior and actions. I don't usually buy the poor me plea from someone who has been arrested 20+ times.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

So I'm presenting false facts which are available from the US Government, but you make a claim on your own and that's really the truth?

Hey Janelle, stand down for a minute. Let me take over.

No one is disputing the murder rate. There's a high number of murders within those places due to poverty, no jobs, less education, and a whole slew of other problems. The demographic is between the ages of 18-25 young black males. If you're going to use this a litmus test, then you have to explain why 12 year old kids are being killed by cops along with 30+ year old males, and even 50+ year old grandfathers. You can't use the % if you are targeting men that don't fall into that demographic.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

To me, any life lost is a tragedy. Period.

I'm not the one in CHEST who think lives are less valuable because of the color of someone's skin.

You are right, because we all know the U.S. Government is NEVER wrong about the facts they present. This is laughable.

They are only believable when it comes to giving out lies about black people. You're killing me Spooky

You're right, everyone is out to get you.

[GandD 5,966]

Post a link, I'd like to read about it.

This isn't about one dead guy. Baltimore has had issues with the cops for years now. They've had to pay out millions in wrongful death and police brutality since 2011, and that was a decrease in the former years. It's a sigh of a much bigger issue.

Plus, they protested for 6 days peacefully. No news coverage, no media outlets. No cries for justice. It wasn't until stuff started getting destroyed, now they have your attention...

That's not the way to get people's attention. If someone wanted to get someone's attention out in the world, they could pull a gun on them. Works doesn't it. Condemn the murder, condemn the looting, and support the peaceful protesters and discuss their cause. Why is that so hard?

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Hey Janelle, stand down for a minute. Let me take over.

No one is disputing the murder rate. There's a high number of murders within those places due to poverty, no jobs, less education, and a whole slew of other problems. The demographic is between the ages of 18-25 young black males. If you're going to use this a litmus test, then you have to explain why 12 year old kids are being killed by cops along with 30+ year old males, and even 50+ year old grandfathers. You can't use the % if you are targeting men that don't fall into that demographic.

No worries. Take it away Marv.

According to the registry report, 52 percent of the wrongful conviction cases involved perjury or false accusation, 43 percent involved official misconduct and 41 percent involved mistaken eyewitness identification.

The majority (57 percent) of all known exonerations were in homicide cases and 47 percent of those cases involved Black defendants and 37 percent involved Whites. Blacks accounted for 63 percent and Whites 18 percent of those wrongfully convicted of committed robberies.

“Homicide and robbery, sadly to say, are crimes that African Americans are heavily overrepresented in the prison population,” said Gross.

The report found that “African Americans constitute 25% of prisoners incarcerated for rape, but 62% of those exonerated for such crimes.”

Faulty eyewitness identification continues to drive the high rate of Blacks involved in adult sexual assault exoneration cases. Gross said that this is likely because of problems associated with cross-racial identification.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/05/21/11756575-researchers-more-than-2000-false-convictions-in-past-23-years?lite

Researchers: More than 2,000 false convictions in past 23 years

Now I'm finished.

Edited May 5, 2015 by Janelle2002

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Hey Janelle, stand down for a minute. Let me take over.

No one is disputing the murder rate. There's a high number of murders within those places due to poverty, no jobs, less education, and a whole slew of other problems. The demographic is between the ages of 18-25 young black males. If you're going to use this a litmus test, then you have to explain why 12 year old kids are being killed by cops along with 30+ year old males, and even 50+ year old grandfathers. You can't use the % if you are targeting men that don't fall into that demographic.

The cops have obviously done some terrible things, I've never disputed that. 93% of blacks murdered are murdered by blacks. I'm guessing that cops don't make up the other 7%. One innocent life is one too many, but you guys make it sound like the cops are going around shooting every black person they see and I just don't see it that way.

The cases you cited the other day were cut and dried, cop was totally wrong.

[GandD 5,966]

No worries. Take it away Marv.

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Sorry, don't know the code for a rose

Edited May 5, 2015 by GandD

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

You're right, everyone is out to get you.

Folks make fun of this but remember, 50 years , you and I couldn't even sit in the same place and share a meal. Not to mention the government has no problems letting us know how they felt about us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

What Janelle posted is what I'm talking about. A young black kid, whose only crime was destroying a police car, is looking at life in prison, being held on bail that most murders don't even get hit with. While the cops that did this brutal crime are out on bail already.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Folks make fun of this but remember, 50 years , you and I couldn't even sit in the same place and share a meal. Not to mention the government has no problems letting us know how they felt about us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

What Janelle posted is what I'm talking about. A young black kid, whose only crime was destroying a police car, is looking at life in prison, being held on bail that most murders don't even get hit with. While the cops that did this brutal crime are out on bail already.

84% of whites are killed by other whites. What is Spooky's point?

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Sorry, don't know the code for a rose

Why are you giving me a rose? Because Marv asked me to let him respond and I said yes?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

That's not the way to get people's attention. If someone wanted to get someone's attention out in the world, they could pull a gun on them. Works doesn't it. Condemn the murder, condemn the looting, and support the peaceful protesters and discuss their cause. Why is that so hard?

Because it's 2015! How much peaceful marching and asking for the same rights as everyone else do they have to do? They shouldn't have to march! They shouldn't have to ask for it! It should be given to them as a basic right.

[yuna628 9,744]

Of the lives lost this week. One of them was Mr. Joe. He was a very beloved member of his community, an immigrant from India who has been here for ages. They didn't even take anything.. and I don't think they will arrest anyone either.

If any of you would be interested in reading about the failure of the Baltimore police system and their treatment of persons while arresting them... have a read.

The kid who turned himself in is sadly being made an example of. Doesn't make one bit of sense no, but gone are the days, when after being dragged on your ear back to your parents for a whupping, you would be made to do community service and pay restitution for the damages you caused. Your life wouldn't be ruined but you'd certainly not do that kind of activity ever again.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

The cops have obviously done some terrible things, I've never disputed that. 93% of blacks murdered are murdered by blacks. I'm guessing that cops don't make up the other 7%. One innocent life is one too many, but you guys make it sound like the cops are going around shooting every black person they see and I just don't see it that way.

The cases you cited the other day were cut and dried, cop was totally wrong.

No one is saying that. We're pointing out that more black men die under crazy circumstances with police than anyone else. Period. Do some research. What's worse, is a majority of them aren't armed.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Folks make fun of this but remember, 50 years , you and I couldn't even sit in the same place and share a meal. Not to mention the government has no problems letting us know how they felt about us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

What Janelle posted is what I'm talking about. A young black kid, whose only crime was destroying a police car, is looking at life in prison, being held on bail that most murders don't even get hit with. While the cops that did this brutal crime are out on bail already.

If I couldn't share a meal with you at a restaurant because they were segregated, I'd take my business elsewhere. Cool story, Google the time the Celtics were traveling and Bill Russell was the only black guy on the team and the hotel wouldn't let him stay there. Auerbach took the entire team elsewhere.

Because it's 2015! How much peaceful marching and asking for the same rights as everyone else do they have to do? They shouldn't have to march! They shouldn't have to ask for it! It should be given to them as a basic right.

Absolutely. The Constitution is suppossed to guarantee that.