Georgia teen who got donated heart dies in crime spree: cops

[Not a Tailor 1,370]

The inherent problem with subjective criteria is that they are subjective. I have a feeling if he had been from an affluent family but with similar behavior and history, it would not have been a factor.

oh, me too. If he had been from an affluent family, he probably wouldn't have been on house arrest, either, for the same crime.

[Dakine10 5,452]

You mean the medical history of him destroying the heart from the first transplant?

History refers to past events, not future ones. He had risk factors, as do many other transplant recipients. Risk factors are not automatic denial, they are factors in the overall process. Unfortunately they don't have a crystal ball,

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You mean the medical history of him destroying the heart from the first transplant?

what Please no facts here.

Here is the only point. If he had been white he would not have been granted a transplant

The inherent problem with subjective criteria is that they are subjective. I have a feeling if he had been from an affluent family but with similar behavior and history, it would not have been a factor.

Their criteria must be fairly accurate, because they were right. It was a total waste

[Dakine10 5,452]

what Please no facts here.

Here is the only point. If he had been white he would not have been granted a transplant

Their criteria must be fairly accurate, because they were right. It was a total waste

One in eight heart transplant patients don't survive the first year. Do you critique all of them or are you singly focused on this case?

Anyone who get's denied a transplant has the ability to appeal. It's much easier to win an appeal when the original decision is flawed. The transplant team could have assessed him as not a good candidate based on his lifestyle. Then they could have stuck to that decision. Making up some vague medical non compliance history story opened them up to criticism because it has no basis. If they didn't get caught in a lie, they wouldn't have had to back down.

[lostinblue 1,989]

Dr. David Weill, medical director of Stanford University's Lung and Heart-Lung Transplant Program, said it's not unusual for patients to be rejected from organ transplant lists because of noncompliance -- in other words, if they are seen as people who won't follow instructions about taking medications and seeing doctors.

At Stanford, Weill's group evaluates about 300 patients per year for lung transplants and turns down about 1% to 2% because of noncompliance. It's about the same for heart transplants, as well, he said.

As part of the evaluation process, organ transplant patients undergo a complete psychosocial evaluation so doctors can get a sense of whether they and their families will follow through with a complicated medical regimen, Weill said.

"A few times a year, we run into people who can't," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/health/georgia-heart-transplant/index.html

[Dakine10 5,452]

Dr. David Weill, medical director of Stanford University's Lung and Heart-Lung Transplant Program, said it's not unusual for patients to be rejected from organ transplant lists because of noncompliance -- in other words, if they are seen as people who won't follow instructions about taking medications and seeing doctors.

At Stanford, Weill's group evaluates about 300 patients per year for lung transplants and turns down about 1% to 2% because of noncompliance. It's about the same for heart transplants, as well, he said.

As part of the evaluation process, organ transplant patients undergo a complete psychosocial evaluation so doctors can get a sense of whether they and their families will follow through with a complicated medical regimen, Weill said.

"A few times a year, we run into people who can't," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/health/georgia-heart-transplant/index.html

People get rejected for being smokers. It is unusual to give that reason to someone who is a non smoker.

[eieio 1,594]

My speculation is that if he was white…..he would have a 75% chance of making better decisions.

I am just playing along with the speculation game

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

One in eight heart transplant patients don't survive the first year. Do you critique all of them or are you singly focused on this case?

Anyone who get's denied a transplant has the ability to appeal. It's much easier to win an appeal when the original decision is flawed. The transplant team could have assessed him as not a good candidate based on his lifestyle. Then they could have stuck to that decision. Making up some vague medical non compliance history story opened them up to criticism because it has no basis. If they didn't get caught in a lie, they wouldn't have had to back down.

One in eight don't survive, that is why it is very important to select the candidates carefully. This kid was non compliant with his meds, did not follow doctors orders, did not keep appointments and led a self destructive lifestyle. The doctors knew there was a high probability it would be a waste and it was. Somewhere there is a more promosing canited laying in the grave becuse he was the wrong skin color.

If he had been a white kid who did not follow doctors orders and led a destructive lifestyle it would have been the same decision, except it would not have been overturned based on race fear mongering.

That is why he was not a candidate.

He became one because of the pigmented tone of his skin, and the hospital not wanting PR cra storm from the brainless media and race baiters. It was pure racism, and nothing else.

[Dakine10 5,452]

One in eight don't survive, that is why it is very important to select the candidates carefully. This kid was non compliant with his meds, did not follow doctors orders, did not keep appointments and led a self destructive lifestyle. The doctors knew there was a high probability it would be a waste and it was. Somewhere there is a more promosing canited laying in the grave becuse he was the wrong skin color.

If he had been a white kid who did not follow doctors orders and led a destructive lifestyle it would have been the same decision, except it would not have been overturned based on race fear mongering.

That is why he was not a candidate.

He became one because of the pigmented tone of his skin, and the hospital not wanting PR cra storm from the brainless media and race baiters. It was pure racism, and nothing else.

He died in a car accident. I haven't seen anything about him not taking meds or not keeping appointments. If you have a link to back that up, please post it. I know this is a local story for you so if you have some info, don't hold out. I agree, it was his self destructive lifestyle that did him in, so I'll say again, that's what they should have said when denying him. It's a lot easier to stick to your guns when you know you are right.

[Darnell 8,478]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/georgia-teen-who-got-donated-heart-dies-in-crime-spree-cops/ar-AAajise

He promised to change his misguided ways if he got a new heart, but evidently troubled Anthony Stokes was unable to make good on those vows.

The Georgia teen died Tuesday after a botched home invasion, crashing a stolen car and ending the troubled life that was extended back in 2013, when he got a controversial heart transplant.

Stokes, 17, wrecked the carjacked sedan into a pole as he tried to flee police, authorities said, and the 33-year-old Roswell woman he hit with a car while fleeing from a botched robbery was hospitalized in stable condition.

The young man failed to make good on the promise he made to turn his life around in 2013, when he was denied a needed heart transplant because of behavioral issues and disobeying doctor’s orders.

At the time, Stokes was given six to nine months to live and the banishment by doctors at Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta was essentially a “death sentence,” said activists who came to his defense.

The story sparked national outrage and the hospital eventually relented, completing the surgery that August, just seven days after he was put on the transplant list. A total of 63 Georgia patients received a heart transplant in 2013, according to the United Network for Organ Sharing, including six who were between the ages of 11 and 17.

The family said at the time that they did not know the donor's identity.

“He’s a young boy. He's going to make mistakes, but I still think he deserves a second chance,” said his mom Melencia Hamilton.

That chance ended this week just off the intersection of Alpharetta Highway and Hembree Road in Roswell, Ga., some 25 miles north of Atlanta, officials said.

Stokes, of Decatur, allegedly carjacked a Honda, then burst into a Roswell home and shot at an elderly woman as he tried to rob her, WSB-TV reported.

“A lady said a person kicked in the door to break into the house. She was inside the living room and saw the suspect, who was wearing a mask,” Lisa Holland, of the Roswell Police Department, told the news station.

Stokes then took off at a high speed as cops chased him down the highway. He smashed into a 33-year-old pedestrian before losing control and plowing into a pole.

"He did a fishtail spin going around to the right and hit a pedestrian. I saw a white shirt fly up in the air,” witness Claudia Kuklis told WSB.

Clementina Hernandez was hospitalized in stable condition, but Stokes, who was cut from the mangled wreckage, died later Tuesday at the hospital, police said.

quick karma, i think so !

Thanks for the local news roundup, Nature Boy !

[cdneh 3,112]

My husband is a donor recipient. And yes, you can get the boot for demonstrated non compliance. He went through five days worth of tests, physical and psychological, and doing poorly at even a single one of those earns you a ticket home.

This kid, and I followed this one pretty closely in the overseas papers and transplant forums, read that as those who lean neither left nor right, was not compliant. Not with meds, not with medical direction, not with anything. He had a problem with authority. And apparently, although we had to sign a document stating we would, without fail, act as caregiver for the time following the transplant and up to a year afterwards, he didn't have anyone like that.

He was 15 at transplant and gone at 17. His parents would have been responsible for seeing he took his anti rejection meds, and anything else prescribed, and kept his nose clean. I guess they let him down on that one. They are just as rigorous in allowing who gets to be a caregiver as in who gets the organ, and I have no idea how these people slipped through that net. Probably the same reason their son did.

He didn't make the transplant list. He didn't qualify based on medical grounds. It irritates me beyond belief that screaming bloody murder that he was being discriminated against, and going to the papers, dragging out a crowd of the usual suspects, and showing this little brat as a fresh faced good boy who only wanted to better himself got him what he wanted. Lawyers, courts, and the public opinion have no place in the making of medical decisions. This is the sort of things that happens when they do. And someone, waiting on the list for a donor heart, got bumped.

It doesn't matter a whit to me what color this kid was. I was just annoyed when a court ordered UNOS to put a kid on the list for adult lungs, there being so few the right size to go around. She got them alright, and a second set to boot, and who knows where that stops? She still has CF, and that isn't going to change.

For those of you asking, no, the heart cannot be reused. That has to do with the meds they take, and a myriad of other reasons, all medical. It's a oncer. And this two bit little hood threw it away with both hands. There is no excuse for that. None.

[lostinblue 1,989]

My husband is a donor recipient. And yes, you can get the boot for demonstrated non compliance. He went through five days worth of tests, physical and psychological, and doing poorly at even a single one of those earns you a ticket home.

This kid, and I followed this one pretty closely in the overseas papers and transplant forums, read that as those who lean neither left nor right, was not compliant. Not with meds, not with medical direction, not with anything. He had a problem with authority. And apparently, although we had to sign a document stating we would, without fail, act as caregiver for the time following the transplant and up to a year afterwards, he didn't have anyone like that.

He was 15 at transplant and gone at 17. His parents would have been responsible for seeing he took his anti rejection meds, and anything else prescribed, and kept his nose clean. I guess they let him down on that one. They are just as rigorous in allowing who gets to be a caregiver as in who gets the organ, and I have no idea how these people slipped through that net. Probably the same reason their son did.

He didn't make the transplant list. He didn't qualify based on medical grounds. It irritates me beyond belief that screaming bloody murder that he was being discriminated against, and going to the papers, dragging out a crowd of the usual suspects, and showing this little brat as a fresh faced good boy who only wanted to better himself got him what he wanted. Lawyers, courts, and the public opinion have no place in the making of medical decisions. This is the sort of things that happens when they do. And someone, waiting on the list for a donor heart, got bumped.

It doesn't matter a whit to me what color this kid was. I was just annoyed when a court ordered UNOS to put a kid on the list for adult lungs, there being so few the right size to go around. She got them alright, and a second set to boot, and who knows where that stops? She still has CF, and that isn't going to change.

For those of you asking, no, the heart cannot be reused. That has to do with the meds they take, and a myriad of other reasons, all medical. It's a oncer. And this two bit little hood threw it away with both hands. There is no excuse for that. None.

Thank you for clearing this up . He had a problem with authority .First with the Doctors and medical staff . Then with the police.. .. His destruction continued until the end.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Thank you for clearing this up . He had a problem with authority .First with the Doctors and medical staff . Then with the police.. .. His destruction continued until the end.

Mickey Mantle had a lifelong history of alcohol abuse. Likely a major factor in developing liver cancer. He got a liver transplant based on the fact that he was the most sick person on the list at the time of transplant. How did he overcome his history of non-compliance? How about Larry Hagman?

When I was in school, one of the doctors told us a story about a heart double lung recipient who coded while smoking outside during his recovery. Dont worry, there was no HIPPA back then so we got all the details. Yet I don't recall anything about the guy taking up smoking after his transplant so I have to assume there was some history there.

[Dakine10 5,452]

My husband is a donor recipient. And yes, you can get the boot for demonstrated non compliance. He went through five days worth of tests, physical and psychological, and doing poorly at even a single one of those earns you a ticket home.

This kid, and I followed this one pretty closely in the overseas papers and transplant forums, read that as those who lean neither left nor right, was not compliant. Not with meds, not with medical direction, not with anything. He had a problem with authority. And apparently, although we had to sign a document stating we would, without fail, act as caregiver for the time following the transplant and up to a year afterwards, he didn't have anyone like that.

He was 15 at transplant and gone at 17. His parents would have been responsible for seeing he took his anti rejection meds, and anything else prescribed, and kept his nose clean. I guess they let him down on that one. They are just as rigorous in allowing who gets to be a caregiver as in who gets the organ, and I have no idea how these people slipped through that net. Probably the same reason their son did.

He didn't make the transplant list. He didn't qualify based on medical grounds. It irritates me beyond belief that screaming bloody murder that he was being discriminated against, and going to the papers, dragging out a crowd of the usual suspects, and showing this little brat as a fresh faced good boy who only wanted to better himself got him what he wanted. Lawyers, courts, and the public opinion have no place in the making of medical decisions. This is the sort of things that happens when they do. And someone, waiting on the list for a donor heart, got bumped.

It doesn't matter a whit to me what color this kid was. I was just annoyed when a court ordered UNOS to put a kid on the list for adult lungs, there being so few the right size to go around. She got them alright, and a second set to boot, and who knows where that stops? She still has CF, and that isn't going to change.

For those of you asking, no, the heart cannot be reused. That has to do with the meds they take, and a myriad of other reasons, all medical. It's a oncer. And this two bit little hood threw it away with both hands. There is no excuse for that. None.

Obviously the hospital was scared of a high profile lawsuit. They took the easier course, and IMO, they are in part to blame for not being completely honest. I don't see any reasons for the blanket allegations on the theme of the world being unfair to white people that seems to pop up with some of the regulars here. This is what it is. I don't see it being different if he was white.

The guy had a social history that the medical team saw this coming, but to blame it all in on race? As if he would have had this same crowd of supporters outside if he was 40 years old instead of 15. He had an outpouring of support because he was young and people wanted him to have a second chance. Hindsight shows us they were wrong. Foresight cant always do that. He's not the first person to waste the gift of life and he won't be the last.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

My husband is a donor recipient. And yes, you can get the boot for demonstrated non compliance. He went through five days worth of tests, physical and psychological, and doing poorly at even a single one of those earns you a ticket home.

This kid, and I followed this one pretty closely in the overseas papers and transplant forums, read that as those who lean neither left nor right, was not compliant. Not with meds, not with medical direction, not with anything. He had a problem with authority. And apparently, although we had to sign a document stating we would, without fail, act as caregiver for the time following the transplant and up to a year afterwards, he didn't have anyone like that.

He was 15 at transplant and gone at 17. His parents would have been responsible for seeing he took his anti rejection meds, and anything else prescribed, and kept his nose clean. I guess they let him down on that one. They are just as rigorous in allowing who gets to be a caregiver as in who gets the organ, and I have no idea how these people slipped through that net. Probably the same reason their son did.

He didn't make the transplant list. He didn't qualify based on medical grounds. It irritates me beyond belief that screaming bloody murder that he was being discriminated against, and going to the papers, dragging out a crowd of the usual suspects, and showing this little brat as a fresh faced good boy who only wanted to better himself got him what he wanted. Lawyers, courts, and the public opinion have no place in the making of medical decisions. This is the sort of things that happens when they do. And someone, waiting on the list for a donor heart, got bumped.

It doesn't matter a whit to me what color this kid was. I was just annoyed when a court ordered UNOS to put a kid on the list for adult lungs, there being so few the right size to go around. She got them alright, and a second set to boot, and who knows where that stops? She still has CF, and that isn't going to change.

For those of you asking, no, the heart cannot be reused. That has to do with the meds they take, and a myriad of other reasons, all medical. It's a oncer. And this two bit little hood threw it away with both hands. There is no excuse for that. None.

As you so wonderfully explained he was not put on the list for a lot of very good reasons that had nothing to do with color. every article clearly said he was non compliant.

He was put on a list he so clearly did not belong on for one reason and one reason only. The color of his skin and the lack of backbone by the hospital to stand to the race bait thugs.

Someone was a good candidate was bumped off the list and died . because of the absurdity of race polotics in this country.

This was blatant racism and can't be painted any other way