Indiana pizzeria closes after threats

[Dakine10 5,452]

Actually, as mentioned previously in this thread, a bakery in Dearborn MI refused a cake for a homosexual wedding. No outrage, no shut-down, no gofundmesite. So I guess discrimination exists elsewhere.

If you thought I was implying that discrimination only exists in Indiana then I apologize. However by passing this law they have opened themselves up to the ridicule and charges of discrimination that go along with it. There are already states that are following Indiana's lead and the circus will go on until the inevitable smackdown from the supreme court.

[Not a Tailor 1,370]

Besides, gay marriage isn't legal in Michigan so the owners of THAT bakery could conceivably claim that they were refusing to participate in an illegal act, if pressed.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Suppose I choose to donate because I have the belief that people should be able to serve whomever they chose? Using the word "Bigot" and then hiding behind the definition when in fact it is just being used to negatively label and malign a group you don't like seams a bit disingenuous.. Especially after you just posted about people following the exact words and not the spirit.

The Bible is clear about Homosexuality, spirit and words - if you are a believer that is what you beleive - This group is being forced to change their behavior because society has deemed one groups right to not be discriminated against is more important than another groups religious freedom. I can be on either side of that debate and not deserve to be called a bigot.

Then you'd have to donate to businesses such as these, too. After all, it's all about serving who they choose, right? I don't know about you but I thought we're past that in this country and settled that issue.

[Dakine10 5,452]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/05/politics/religious-freedom-gay-rights-santorum-dolan/index.html

Rick Santorum still doesn't get it. I remember a time when stupidity wasn't considered a virtue.

"If you're a print shop and you are a gay man, should you be forced to print 'God hates ****' for the Westboro Baptist Church because they hold those signs up?" Santorum said.

Edited April 6, 2015 by Dakine10

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If the business owner said he used horse meat in the pizza, there would be a backlash, he would lose customer support, and he would go out of business. There would not be a gofundme account set up.

In this actual case, because of his actions, he was going to face going out of business because of diminished customer support. The difference was that he got a lot of support based solely on his discriminatory position.

I don't feel comfortable guessing at the political affiliation of those who donated. I don't know if they are liberal or conservative. I don't know if they are religious or atheist. I don't know if they are black and white. I am comfortable saying they are bigots.

I think cases like this are a barometer of what is acceptable to say in a public setting. Free speech is free, but it isn't without consequence - especially when the statements in question trample on the rights of others. I just don't see why anyone running a business and dealing with the general public would want to invite this sort of controversy - it's just stupid.

I always remember the case of the racist baker from Brooklyn about 7 years ago - a man who just after Obama got elected started selling 'drunken negro head cookies' in his shop and then insisting that he wasn't being racist (before suggesting that he hoped that Obama goes 'the same way as Lincoln'. The story ended up with a protest by a chapter of the Black Panthers and a visit by the Secret Service for threats against the President. Like something Larry David would come up with.

[Dakine10 5,452]

I think cases like this are a barometer of what is acceptable to say in a public setting. Free speech is free, but it isn't without consequence - especially when the statements in question trample on the rights of others. I just don't see why anyone running a business and dealing with the general public would want to invite this sort of controversy - it's just stupid.

I always remember the case of the racist baker from Brooklyn about 7 years ago - a man who just after Obama got elected started selling 'drunken negro head cookies' in his shop and then insisting that he wasn't being racist (before suggesting that he hoped that Obama goes 'the same way as Lincoln'. The story ended up with a protest by a chapter of the Black Panthers and a visit by the Secret Service for threats against the President. Like something Larry David would come up with.

If there was a gofundme page setup, I'm sure there would be a lineup of hypocrites who were only supporting free speech.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If there was a gofundme page setup, I'm sure there would be a lineup of hypocrites who were only supporting free speech.

I think some people are genuinely ignorant of their own prejudices. Others also misunderstand the situation - usually because they are reliant on second hand information (e.g. your news commentary and talk radio shows). As an example, during the 2008/9 election I was watching TV with my ex-MIL and saw her take a position on Proposition 8 (to effectively ban gay marriage in CA) based solely on a 30 second TV commercial. Her and her daughter had a big row about it because the daughter was obviously pro-gay marriage and her parents weren't. What I found interesting was the arguments my MIL used to support her position were almost word for word the same as what I had heard in the TV commercials.

I don't believe that she was bigoted as much as she just hadn't thought the arguments through. The 'victim' in her view was not the unnamed (out of sight, out of mind) thousands who would be marginalised, but rather the local town churches who she thought would be bound by law to perform religious services against their beliefs (in point of fact, this would not have been the case at all).

Edited April 6, 2015 by Venkman

[Dakine10 5,452]

I think some people are genuinely ignorant of their own prejudices. Others also misunderstand the situation - usually because they are reliant on second hand information (e.g. your news commentary and talk radio shows). As an example, during the 2008/9 election I was watching TV with my ex-MIL and saw her take a position on Proposition 8 (to effectively ban gay marriage in CA) based solely on a 30 second TV commercial. Her and her daughter had a big row about it because the daughter was obviously pro-gay marriage and her parents weren't. What I found interesting was the arguments my MIL used to support her position were almost word for word the same as what I had heard in the TV commercials.

I don't believe that she was bigoted as much as she just hadn't thought the arguments through. The 'victim' in her view was not the unnamed (out of sight, out of mind) thousands who would be marginalised, but rather the local town churches who she thought would be bound by law to perform religious services against their beliefs (in point of fact, this would not have been the case at all).

Defenders of slavery argued (genuinely) that freeing the slaves would lead to widespread unemployment. I agree many are unaware of their own prejudices. It's never an excuse. They are still prejudiced.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Defenders of slavery argued (genuinely) that freeing the slaves would lead to widespread unemployment. I agree many are unaware of their own prejudices. It's never an excuse. They are still prejudiced.

Sure, I don't disagree.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

This just in from MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, and thrill up the leg:

Gay people don't eat pizza.

More news at 11

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

The definition of bigotry you gave pretty much says everyone is a bigot. If you are intolerant of anyone, even someone you identify as a bigot based on their religious or political beliefs and this definition, then you are also a bigot. Or did I mis-interpet this.

Sorry for the late posting, back to work. Being a bigot means you're discriminating against someone based on one of the above mentioned factors. If someone is racist towards me, I have a right to refuse them service if they're in my office. But you can't refuse service based because they're gay, black, or anything else. Not to mention, catering a gay wedding isn't the same as participating in a homosexual act. Not even close.

Marvin gets the famous pass . He has said so himself on here . I will admit I am a bigot .

Admitting you have a problem is the first step. Maybe you will seek treatment for it...

[LibCampFireClub 635]

There are so many naughty things that can be done with pizza. Consider the possibilities, and surely ID and proof of not being a member of an easily offended faith is required.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Every single person who posts in this particular forum is a bigot. Welcome to the club!!

Certainly not ground breaking news there, but at least you're comfortable with it.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Every single person who posts in this particular forum is a bigot. Welcome to the club!!

I'm not. I hate everyone. Equally.

[decocker 7,198]

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