A lawyer in California is pushing a ballot measure to legalize killing gay people

[spookyturtle 9,465]

If sphincters could fly this place would be an airport.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I guess we all agree that this lawyer in California needs to be disbarred and that legal action could and should be brought against him.

His law is no more acceptable than to propose that we should kill those who engage in inter racial marriages..

Oh, I know. I just really like demonstrating how stupid people like Closed are. I know Closed will go WAH WAH WAH LET ME DERAIL but I get the satisfaction of having treated him reasonably and demonstrated that he doesn't have an argument to stand on. That whole post took me less than fifteen minutes to compose and it makes me feel good. I've got a terrible head cold and had to go home from work early so I figure I deserve a side of 'showing up fools' with my cough syrup dinner.

[Not a Tailor 1,370]

No matter how much effort is expended to blame everyone who according to their religion disagree with same sex marriage and unions. As for those who discriminate against them, by firing, or demeaning, or assaulting, we have the criminal and civil courts to deal with that. In America, people are allowed to disagree with one viewpoint or another. Differences in belief are not dangerous. People whose intention it is to harm others, either by slander, insinuation, personal attack, assault, and other forms of tyranny should be stopped. If Joe's bakery whose religion does not accept gay lifestyles, chooses not to make a cake for a gay wedding, then the gay couple need only go next door to find someone who does agree. Trying to force that change in America will never stick and never work.

If the gay couple can't find anyone to make a cake, they can PM me and I will be happy to do my best with duncan hines and the frosting of their choice.

The courts? Those literally take years. Have you ever sat and waited for a court to decide your fate? Because I have. I dated my wife, long distance, for years before us being able to live together was possible. Other people have waited decades. The courts take ages. The legislatures take even longer and half the time are seeking to find ways to avoid allowing court decisions to become reality. Differences in belief can be very dangerous when they lead to harm.

Guess what? A court doesn't bring the dead back to life. A court doesn't change someone having lost everything due to losing their job, having been penniless for years.

As for Joe's bakery? Fine. He can discriminate if he wants. Don't make cakes for gays. But also, it is freedom of speech for a gay person to protest Joe's decision or for people to choose to boycott his establishment in solidarity with gays. That's not oppression, it's just freedom of expression.

I guess we all agree that this lawyer in California needs to be disbarred and that legal action could and should be brought against him.

His law is no more acceptable than to propose that we should kill those who engage in inter racial marriages..

Indeed.

Though of course, in the world of the right wing extremists, disbarring a lawyer for drafting a legal proposal such as this is merely stripping him of his first amendment rights!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No matter how much effort is expended to blame everyone who according to their religion disagree with same sex marriage and unions. As for those who discriminate against them, by firing, or demeaning, or assaulting, we have the criminal and civil courts to deal with that. In America, people are allowed to disagree with one viewpoint or another. Differences in belief are not dangerous. People whose intention it is to harm others, either by slander, insinuation, personal attack, assault, and other forms of tyranny should be stopped. If Joe's bakery whose religion does not accept gay lifestyles, chooses not to make a cake for a gay wedding, then the gay couple need only go next door to find someone who does agree. Trying to force that change in America will never stick and never work.

If the gay couple can't find anyone to make a cake, they can PM me and I will be happy to do my best with duncan hines and the frosting of their choice.

Does the guy who runs the cake shop make it his personal business to know who is buying his cakes and why? Generally speaking, it seems rather unlikely -since commerce simply requires an exchange of money in return for goods and services. The opinion of the buyer and seller isn't generally important. Providing that the law permits the transaction and in doing so no-one's rights are being breached - the obvious question becomes 'why does the proprietor make it his business to restrict service when gays are concerned?'

[JohnR! 5,495]

Not only that, but these RWNJ don't realize that GLBTs don't have monopoly over sodomy. If sodomy were a crime in America, the majority of the US population would be in jail.

Again, my take is that this lawyer is some closeted gay himself leading a heterosexual lifestyle that affords him not much more than misery and sexual frustration.

He'll soon make the news for being arrested for solicitation in some public restroom..

Indeed.

Though of course, in the world of the right wing extremists, disbarring a lawyer for drafting a legal proposal such as this is merely stripping him of his first amendment rights!

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Oh, I know. I just really like demonstrating how stupid people like Closed are. I know Closed will go WAH WAH WAH LET ME DERAIL but I get the satisfaction of having treated him reasonably and demonstrated that he doesn't have an argument to stand on. That whole post took me less than fifteen minutes to compose and it makes me feel good. I've got a terrible head cold and had to go home from work early so I figure I deserve a side of 'showing up fools' with my cough syrup dinner.

I know, but I wanted to state the obvious. You like to see closed stutter while he gives a completely useless answer. Got it!

[LibCampFireClub 635]

The courts? Those literally take years. Have you ever sat and waited for a court to decide your fate? Because I have. I dated my wife, long distance, for years before us being able to live together was possible. Other people have waited decades. The courts take ages. The legislatures take even longer and half the time are seeking to find ways to avoid allowing court decisions to become reality. Differences in belief can be very dangerous when they lead to harm.

Guess what? A court doesn't bring the dead back to life. A court doesn't change someone having lost everything due to losing their job, having been penniless for years.

As for Joe's bakery? Fine. He can discriminate if he wants. Don't make cakes for gays. But also, it is freedom of speech for a gay person to protest Joe's decision or for people to choose to boycott his establishment in solidarity with gays. That's not oppression, it's just freedom of expression.

I can honestly tell you that I harbor no ill whatsoever toward anyone in the LGBT community. I expect that they should be treated fairly, and in the same manner as all others in America. However, our constitution does not provide the option to ignore the religious freedoms of anyone. On either side of the picture. I would openly support anyone who is openly discriminated against when it comes to the liberties provided to all Americans. Today, our law is facing a challenge that has been twisted in the media. We have religious freedom, but these religious freedoms do not trump or provide a free ticket to discriminate. Obviously the folks in Washington need to spend a lot of effort to clean up this mess, because both sides are at extreme odds to one another.

I can't tell you the answer to the problem, other than prosecuting those who make false allegations that damage the livelihood of others.

[Not a Tailor 1,370]

I can honestly tell you that I harbor no ill whatsoever toward anyone in the LGBT community. I expect that they should be treated fairly, and in the same manner as all others in America. However, our constitution does not provide the option to ignore the religious freedoms of anyone. On either side of the picture. I would openly support anyone who is openly discriminated against when it comes to the liberties provided to all Americans. Today, our law is facing a challenge that has been twisted in the media. We have religious freedom, but these religious freedoms do not trump or provide a free ticket to discriminate. Obviously the folks in Washington need to spend a lot of effort to clean up this mess, because both sides are at extreme odds to one another.

I can't tell you the answer to the problem, other than prosecuting those who make false allegations that damage the livelihood of others.

Social media is great. People who make false allegations get seriously damaged in the court of public opinion.

Too bad for you that most people who are OMG RAGING LIBERAL GAYS aren't making false allegations.

[decocker 7,198]

I can honestly tell you that I harbor no ill whatsoever toward anyone in the LGBT community. I expect that they should be treated fairly, and in the same manner as all others in America. However, our constitution does not provide the option to ignore the religious freedoms of anyone. On either side of the picture. I would openly support anyone who is openly discriminated against when it comes to the liberties provided to all Americans. Today, our law is facing a challenge that has been twisted in the media. We have religious freedom, but these religious freedoms do not trump or provide a free ticket to discriminate. Obviously the folks in Washington need to spend a lot of effort to clean up this mess, because both sides are at extreme odds to one another.

I can't tell you the answer to the problem, other than prosecuting those who make false allegations that damage the livelihood of others.

is that why it's still okay in many states for fundie parents to send their minor children to gay conversion therapy?

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Social media is great. People who make false allegations get seriously damaged in the court of public opinion.

Too bad for you that most people who are OMG RAGING LIBERAL GAYS aren't making false allegations.

Obviously this site is heavily weighted for libs, but that's cool. I get it. As for the public opinion, most liberals and conservatives agree that the gay community deserves same treatment as any other law abiding citizen. If VJ were my court, I would be doing hard time busting rocks all day before I head back to my air conditioned cell to watch TV and surf the net. If I sought the approval of libs as to my personal beliefs and ideology, I would simply become yet another lib without conviction, direction, or moral compass. My court comes from Sly and the Family Stone.

Once again:

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It's funny how people actually protect the rights of those who are infringing the rights of others.

Sure... it's totally fine to refuse to sell goods and services to the gays because you don't like their lifestyle - and isn't it criminal that the law sides with the people being disadvantaged and not the ones doing the disadvantaging

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Not only that, but these RWNJ don't realize that GLBTs don't have monopoly over sodomy. If sodomy were a crime in America, the majority of the US population would be in jail.

Again, my take is that this lawyer is some closeted gay himself leading a heterosexual lifestyle that affords him not much more than misery and sexual frustration.

He'll soon make the news for being arrested for solicitation in some public restroom..

Some heterosexual couples would be sitting right next to some homosexual couples. Because people do, huh...., kinky things in their bedrooms. And it is NO BODIES BUSINESS!!!

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Some heterosexual couples would be sitting right next to some homosexual couples. Because people do, huh...., kinky things in their bedrooms. And it is NO BODIES BUSINESS!!!

Kinky is when you use a feather. Perverted is when you use the whole chicken.

[Not a Tailor 1,370]

Obviously this site is heavily weighted for libs, but that's cool. I get it. As for the public opinion, most liberals and conservatives agree that the gay community deserves same treatment as any other law abiding citizen. If VJ were my court, I would be doing hard time busting rocks all day before I head back to my air conditioned cell to watch TV and surf the net. If I sought the approval of libs as to my personal beliefs and ideology, I would simply become yet another lib without conviction, direction, or moral compass. My court comes from Sly and the Family Stone.

Once again:

You know what would be really hilarious? If sometime, rather than freaking out about liberals attacking you and being oh so very mean and the site admin always siding with the libs, you actually addressed people's points. You regularly posit that the libs are discriminating against the Good Upstanding People Expressing Themselves, but you offer no evidence, no proof. You offer nothing but annoying, silly songs and pictures. It's not a matter of the site being weighted for libs, it's a matter of you not being able to construct a coherent argument.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Kinky is when you use a feather. Perverted is when you use the whole chicken.