Univision's Rodner Figueroa fired for Michelle Obama comment

[JohnR! 5,495]

Fact is, that the pix below are ok not the because Bush is white, but because he is not black.

If you believe comparing a white person to a monkey is akin to comparing a black person to a monkey you need to do some studying about American history, which incidentally I believe should be mandatory to everyone applying for a greencard, no exception. One should use all those months spent in waiting suffering, studying our history and culture, but that's another story.

You can't look at these pictures in a vacuum. They represent completely different points of view.

Having said all that, our First Amendment rights afford you the right to publish these pictures as they do afford Mr. Figueroa to express himself freely, as he did. Nobody is questioning his right to do so.

You missed the point, by miles....

However, on a positive note, if you find the pix below objectionable, one should only imagine how much exception you must have taken at Mr. Figueroa's comment. Somehow I don't believe that to be the case at all.

These pictures were widely circulated during the Bush presidency, along with published cartoons, epithets like "Uncurious George", along with articles detailing how he looked like a monkey in major media pieces...

But he is a white man. So it's ok.

Edited March 14, 2015 by JohnR!

[Janelle2002 3,865]

We have National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), and (UNC) United Negro College and you see advertisement all the time

But you switch out the word Colored or Negro and insert the word "White" then it is racist

NAACP would not have been needed if blacks were not constantly alienated.

[rlogan 2,036]

Just look at all the racist excuses here.

The first racist excuse is that racism against whites today is justified because there was racism against blacks in the past. All white people today are guilty for the sins of SOME whites long ago, even when your own family fought and died to end slavery. All blacks today can be bullies, playing the race card, as if they were a slave yesterday. When the color of your skin is what dictates the rights, we are not in a society of equal rights.

Look at the denial too: right here in this thread I can post pictures of a white president next to a chimp. Were I to do that for Michelle Obama - I would not just be edited, but probably banned. Despite that we have people denying this is racist. To deny this is a racial preference demonstrates a person is without reason.

This denial is so bizarre we actually have someone saying it isn't because Bush is white, but because he is not black! lol. People are beside themselves to justify racism when there is no justification for racism against anyone.

We also have the stupidity of racism against whites today being justified because it isn't as bad as the racism against blacks in the past. There is no justification for racism, period.

You want racism? I am legally an American Indian. But I don't use that as a baseball bat to bully other people like someone else on this thread despite American Indians suffering not slavery but genocide. Those who survived were herded onto concentration camps and were not even made citizens for 3/4 of a century after the blacks.

Edited March 14, 2015 by rlogan

[JohnR! 5,495]

As someone said, consider learning something about American history and you'd understand the statement.

Incidentally, you don't explain why you believe it otherwise, despite the carefully crafted non-sequitur you presented.

The one point you seem to miss completely is that if it should be wrong to show pictures of W next to a monkey it should be equally wrong to do that for the FLOTUS. You can't feign outrage towards one and not the other without showing your hand.

Just look at all the racist excuses here.

The first racist excuse is that racism against whites today is justified because there was racism against blacks in the past. All white people today are guilty for the sins of SOME whites long ago, even when your own family fought and died to end slavery. All blacks today can be bullies, playing the race card, as if they were a slave yesterday. When the color of your skin is what dictates the rights, we are not in a society of equal rights.

Look at the denial too: right here in this thread I can post pictures of a white president next to a chimp. Were I to do that for Michelle Obama - I would not just be edited, but probably banned. Despite that we have people denying this is racist. To deny this is a racial preference demonstrates a person is without reason.

This denial is so bizarre we actually have someone saying it isn't because Bush is white, but because he is not black! lol. People are beside themselves to justify racism when there is no justification for racism against anyone.

We also have the stupidity of racism against whites today being justified because it isn't as bad as the racism against blacks in the past. There is no justification for racism, period.

Edited March 14, 2015 by JohnR!

[Boiler 45,692]

He is Hispanic,no whities involved.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Just look at all the racist excuses here.

The first racist excuse is that racism against whites today is justified because there was racism against blacks in the past. All white people today are guilty for the sins of SOME whites long ago, even when your own family fought and died to end slavery. All blacks today can be bullies, playing the race card, as if they were a slave yesterday. When the color of your skin is what dictates the rights, we are not in a society of equal rights.

Look at the denial too: right here in this thread I can post pictures of a white president next to a chimp. Were I to do that for Michelle Obama - I would not just be edited, but probably banned. Despite that we have people denying this is racist. To deny this is a racial preference demonstrates a person is without reason.

This denial is so bizarre we actually have someone saying it isn't because Bush is white, but because he is not black! lol. People are beside themselves to justify racism when there is no justification for racism against anyone.

We also have the stupidity of racism against whites today being justified because it isn't as bad as the racism against blacks in the past. There is no justification for racism, period.

You want racism? I am legally an American Indian. But I don't use that as a baseball bat to bully other people like someone else on this thread despite American Indians suffering not slavery but genocide. Those who survived were herded onto concentration camps and were not even made citizens for 3/4 of a century after the blacks.

Racism isn't justified, however one sort of needs to know what racism is in order to determine what is and isn't racist as well as why there is sensitivity in relation discussion of certain subjects.

Similarly, as a white man I struggle to see how I am or have ever been a victim of racism. It just isn't something I've had to deal with. Of course that might just be because I'm not part of a minority group with a history of being marginalised by a ruling class.

We've already had someone bemoan the existence of things like Black History Month and Black Pride rallies, arguments that show complete ignorance of why those things exist.

As a white man I don't need a white pride rally, because whiteness is a meaningless concept for me or for many whites - which I suppose why such things tend to be the domain of fringe white supremacist groups - who are that way because in the socioeconomic pecking order they occupy the same place as low income blacks.

It's not that complicated dude.

Edited March 14, 2015 by For Ffolkes Sake

[rlogan 2,036]

As someone said, consider learning something about American history and you'd understand the statement.

Personal insults are not an argument. You can't even finish a complete thought here because it relies on the false premise that reverse racism is justified. No racism is justified, and we will just have to disagree on that.

The one point you seem to miss completely is that if it should be wrong to show pictures of W next to a monkey it should be equally wrong to do that for the FLOTUS.

lol. I think the pictures are hilarious. And this is a babe right here:

This is not a chimpanzee like with the Bush pictures, which shows you how far beyond reason this reverse racism is. You can compare president Bush to a real chimpanzee, but you can't even compare the first lady to an attractive Hollywood imaginary persona.

This is all about bullying. Some people love to be bullies, but they need to pretend they are some kind of knight standing up against all odds to save the oppressed when the truth is they're just part of a cowardly mob.

[VOL 425]

Greatness........ :rofl:

[JohnR! 5,495]

Alas, YOU can. You're the one who inserted W's pix into this thread and it's you who's been desperately trying to make them stick by the use of half-baked argument and red herrings.

YOU can compare W to a chimpanzee if you want. YOU can also compare the FLOTUS to a chimpanzee just like Mr. Figueroa did.

I have no doubt this was the one moment Mr. Figueroa wish he could take back and kept his mouth shut, as I am sure the network wished they didn't have to fire him. If only we lived in a perfect world.

This is not a chimpanzee like with the Bush pictures, which shows you how far beyond reason this reverse racism is. You can compare president Bush to a real chimpanzee, but you can't even compare the first lady to an attractive Hollywood imaginary persona.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

There were plenty of ways to point out her obvious flaws, and there are plenty of uncomplimentary photos out there that depict her as not being exactly a ideal hostess. But hey, he shoulda boned up a little on the whatcha shouldn't say to keep out of the line of fire.

Edited March 15, 2015 by xxClosedxx

[Darnell 8,478]

You know if you need me to put the smack down, all you have to do is ask. I'm more stressed now being retired than I was when I was working! But all this free time is getting on my nerves. I thought about getting a part time job just to pass time...

ferguson police chief job is open, and its part time, and nearby....

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

ferguson police chief job is open, and its part time, and nearby....

Not part time enough. Drove through there today to get some Subway. It's a shame the devastation that was wrought. Saw a lot of signs with positive messages, something that doesn't make in news.

[Dakine10 5,452]

He is Hispanic,no whities involved.

A discussion on racism that went sideways. Go figure.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

A discussion on racism that went sideways. Go figure.

Did you expect anything else?

There were plenty of ways to point out her obvious flaws, and there are plenty of uncomplimentary photos out there that depict her as not being exactly a ideal hostess. But hey, he shoulda boned up a little on the whatcha shouldn't say to keep out of the line of fire.

And what as the other wives looked like?

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Did you expect anything else?

And what as the other wives looked like?

As you know they came in all shapes and sizes and personalities. Michelle does have an appearance of not following her own school lunch rules.