Why did Obama compare Crusades to Islamic State at prayer breakfast?

[Dakine10 5,452]

ok, remind me, which God is this one Nation under?

None. Congress made that line up in 1954. Congress is full of BS now. They were full of BS then. Some things don't change.

[Darnell 8,478]

The RW has very selective memory when it comes down to it. Google Manifest Destiny. Christianity was the basis of Jim Crow.

I guess the issue boils down to the temerity of dragging facts into a Christian prayer ceramony?

you would think that Banal Barry would meet with the Pastor of the House, and the Pastor of the Senate (two real humans) and go over this stuff, prior to the prayer meeting. I get some sense he didn't do that.

Oh, sorry, I think the official title is 'Chaplain'. These two fellas know all of the members of Congress from a 'God' perspective - it's my thought, however malformed, that Banal Barry would have listened to these two fellas.

None. Congress made that line up in 1954. Congress is full of BS now. They were full of BS then. Some things don't change.

le sigh. I guess the most I can hope for, then, is that the Tea Party fellas block all during these next sessions of Congress.

[Dakine10 5,452]

le sigh. I guess the most I can hope for, then, is that the Tea Party fellas block all during these next sessions of Congress.

Maybe they'll work on getting rid of the phrase then.

You know that "one nation under God" thing wouldn't have gone over well with the founding fathers. I believe they even crafted an amendment about that. In fact I think it was the actually first one.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

None. Congress made that line up in 1954. Congress is full of BS now. They were full of BS then. Some things don't change.

Commies don't believe in God, so it is like a loyalty test. Perhaps now that Islam is the enemy, we need to add another phrase, like, "One nation, under God, eating pork..."

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Why are people mad because he told the truth?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Maybe they'll work on getting rid of the phrase then.

You know that "one nation under God" thing wouldn't have gone over well with the founding fathers. I believe they even crafted an amendment about that. In fact I think it was the actually first one.

No atheists at the Constitution Convention, even a few ministers were present. While Congress was forbidden from establishing one Christian sect above the other Christian sects as the official religion of the United States, the states themselves were free to do so within their states.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

[Neonred 3,562]

Maybe they'll work on getting rid of the phrase then.

You know that "one nation under God" thing wouldn't have gone over well with the founding fathers. I believe they even crafted an amendment about that. In fact I think it was the actually first one.

In God we trust

[Sousuke 1,214]

Historical context people!

Question 1. - Why was the first crusade launched?

Question 2. - In the context of the time, were the Crusaders 'extremists'

Question 3 - Why did ISIS launch its attacks

Question 4. - In the context of the present, are ISIS 'extremists'

They aren't the same clearly, and yes Obama has stepped into a mess yet again.

Edited February 8, 2015 by Sousuke

[Dakine10 5,452]

No atheists at the Constitution Convention, even a few ministers were present. While Congress was forbidden from establishing one Christian sect above the other Christian sects as the official religion of the United States, the states themselves were free to do so within their states.

That should say some atheists at the constitutional convention. True most were not atheists. They were not taking issue with anyone's religious beliefs. The consensus they came to is the government had no business deciding that for people collectively. They had pretty good perspective on that too.

[Dakine10 5,452]

In God we trust

Happy for you. Hope He returns the favor. Based on some of your posts, I'm not sure that first meeting is going to go the way you think it is.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Events from the middle ages, also called the dark ages for a reason. It's important to look at it and be familiar with it as it will more clearly show that the president is completely and utterly insane!

The Crusades - What were the Crusades?

The Crusades were a series of Holy Wars launched by the Christian states of Europe against the Saracens. The term 'Saracen' was the word used to describe a Moslem during the time of the Crusades. The Crusades started in 1095 when Pope Claremont preached the First Crusade at the Council of Claremont. The Pope's preaching led to thousands immediately affixing the cross to their garments - the name Crusade given to the Holy Wars came from old French word 'crois' meaning 'cross'. The Crusades were great military expeditions undertaken by the Christian nations of Europe for the purpose of rescuing the holy places of Palestine from the hands of the Mohammedans. They were eight in number, the first four being sometimes called the Principal Crusades, and the remaining four the Minor Crusades. In addition there was a Children's Crusade. There were several other expeditions which were insignificant in numbers or results. For full details, facts and information about the crusades click one of the following links:

The First Crusade

Timeline of the First Crusade

The Second Crusade

The Third Crusade

The Fourth Crusade

The Childrens Crusade

The Minor Crusades

End of the Medieval Crusades

Effects of the Crusades

Crusades Timeline

Kingdom of Jerusalem

Crusaders

Holy Land Pilgrimage

What was the Cause for the Crusades?

The reason for the crusades was a war between Christians and Moslems which centered around the city of Jerusalem. The City of Jerusalem held a Holy significance to the Christian religion. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem commemorated the hill of crucifixion and the tomb of Christ's burial and was visited by Pilgrims. In 1065 Jerusalem was taken by the Turks and 3000 Christians were massacred starting a chain of events which contributed to the cause of the crusades.

What were the Objectives of the Crusades?

The Objectives of the crusades was at first to release the Holy Land, in particular Jerusalem, from the Saracens, but in time was extended to seizing Spain from the Moors, the Slavs and Pagans from eastern Europe, and the islands of the Mediterranean.

How many Crusades were there?

There were a total of nine crusades! The first four crusades were seen as the most import and scant reference is made to the other crusades - with the exception of the Children's crusade which effectively led to the decline of the crusades. For a period of two hundred years Europe and Asia were engaged in almost constant warfare. Throughout this period there was a continuous movement of crusaders to and from the Moslem possessions in Asia Minor, Syria, and Egypt.

The First Crusade

The first crusade, which lasted from 1095-1099, established the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem, providing more lands for the crusading knights, who often travelled across Europe to try their fortunes and to visit the Holy Sepulchre.

The Fall of Jerusalem and Acre - the Last Crusades

The kingdom of Jerusalem was gradually lost until the last Christian city, Acre, fell in 1291. The dream of returning to the Holy Land nonetheless proved popular; the Kings of France and England frequently made such plans, though in nearly every case the crusades were redirected or derailed by regional tensions.

The Crusades and the Orders of Religious Knights

The crusades also gave rise to the important knightly orders, the Knights Templar, the Teutonic Knights and the Hospitallers. These were orders of religious knights, working from monastic rule to defend the holy land and pilgrims en route to Jerusalem.

The Effects of the Crusades

The effects of the Crusades on Europe of the Middle Ages were an important factor in the history of the progress of civilization. The effects of the Crusades influenced the wealth and power of the Catholic Church, Political matters, commerce, feudalism, intellectual development, social effects, material effects and the effects of the crusades also prompted the famous Voyages of discovery.

The Crusades - The Kingdom of Jerusalem

The Kingdom of Jerusalem was ruled by European Kings and Queens between 1099 and 1291. This section details the founding of the Kingdom of Jerusalem by by Godfrey of Bouillon, the first ruler of the Kingdom of Jerusalem and its fall into the hands of Saladin. The names of all the Kings and Queens of the Kingdom of Jerusalem are also listed on this section.

The Crusaders

The crusaders came from both the Upper and Lower classes. What prompted tens of thousands of people to travel 1000 miles to go on the First Crusade? What privileges were granted to crusaders?

The Crusades Timeline

Interesting Facts and information about Crusades Timeline in the Middle Ages. People and events in the Middle Ages via the Crusades Timeline. The Crusades Timeline details the key dates and leaders of all the crusades.

Holy Land Pilgrimage

The Holy Land Pilgrimages sprang from the pilgrimages which Christians had long been accustomed to make to the scenes of Christ's life on earth.

Edited February 8, 2015 by ExExpat

[Neonred 3,562]

Happy for you. Hope He returns the favor. Based on some of your posts, I'm not sure that first meeting is going to go the way you think it is.

Talking about the slogan on our money, not about my beliefs, a######.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Talking about the slogan on our money, not about my beliefs, a######.

Wrath too? That's not gonna help your case!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The RW has very selective memory when it comes down to it. Google Manifest Destiny. Christianity was the basis of Jim Crow.

I guess the issue boils down to the temerity of dragging facts into a Christian prayer ceramony?

As I said, bringing up historical events seems less of a big deal than being quite as saying that God told you to start a war.

If someone in ISIS had said that, people wouldn't bat an eye. But this was the president of the USA.

Says to me that there clearly are a lot of people out there who believe in the manifest destiny of the American nation, complete with the religious connotations that come with it.