Klan growing, fed by anti-immigrant feelings

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

To be fair, that is Wikipedia. Anyone can write or edit it, so who knows just how accurate the information is in that Wiki article...

Help a brother out. Post a more accurate number.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

... I don't quite buy into the notion that if someone disagrees with present immigration policy that they = KKK.

Your post is the first time I've heard that particular notion even mentioned.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Wikipedia says the KKK had 3000 members in 2005. Nothing to see here people, move it along.

Working in a group in an area where the cops share their feelings (many parts of this country, not all rural) even a dozen of them can effectively terrorize a large community. Hatred of Indian people runs deep in the Edison PD (here in NJ) and if a KKK chapter were to show up to kick some dot azz, I doubt many of these cops would give a #######.

[peejay 327]

... I don't quite buy into the notion that if someone disagrees with present immigration policy that they = KKK.

Your post is the first time I've heard that particular notion even mentioned.

Give me a break. There are quite a few on this forum that get rather nasty and start hurling personal insults / innuendo unless you buy into the notion that all illegal aliens deserve blanket amnesty and anyone that wants to come to the USA in unlimited numbers should be able to.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

... I don't quite buy into the notion that if someone disagrees with present immigration policy that they = KKK.

Your post is the first time I've heard that particular notion even mentioned.

Give me a break. There are quite a few on this forum that get rather nasty and start hurling personal insults / innuendo unless you buy into the notion that all illegal aliens deserve blanket amnesty and anyone that wants to come to the USA in unlimited numbers should be able to.

Of course. I meant with respect to the posted article. I assumed your post was a response to that. I know you've taken a lot of abuse in the past on VJ.

[JayJay 4]

God, the KKK make me sick.

In my eyes, they are perpetrating hate crimes simply by standing and performing a so called "peaseful protest:. How can a protest me "peaceful" if it inflicts emotional and psychological violence on a whole section of society? That's not peaceful: that's violent! I think it's dumb and pathetic and "look-the-other-way" ish of anyone to protect this violent behaviour using an amendment made to create a peacful country - that's crazy.

I mean, if you're going to say "peaceful racist protest it allowed under the first amendment" then why not make it perfectly okay for people to emotionally abuse each other in all sorts of other instances too? For example inter-spousal violence: let's just make it "voilence" if the woman or man gets hit, and look the other way if the woman or man is undergoing all sorts of nasty psychological and emotional torture at the hands of their spouse. Afetr all, wouldn't that just be a right to free speech? I've never heard anyone say that telling your wife or husband every day that they are a useless, nasty, worthless piece of filth is simply freedom of expression and "the American way". So how does it apply to the KKK standing in the middle of a black neighborhood saying "you're all a bunch of worthless b#stards"?

Hey, I'm all for freedom of expression - but I'm totally against violence of any kind. And I think the KKK and other anti-human groups are intrinsically violent and nasty - I believe they should and could be disbanded and ridiculed properly in the same way that a paedophile group would be.

How many law abiding American citizens, for example, would like to see a "Rapists are Us" movement carolling down their streets chanting anthems about sexually abusing their daughters any time of the day? Now would that be freedom of speech as well, just because they're not actually raping anyone at the time?

Racism is ridiculous in a country where unless you're Native American, you've only been here a few hundred years. It's ridiculous anywhere, but ESPECIALLY here - where the concentration ought to be on building a nation free from such horrors: a nation able to move with the times and be part of a developing and fair world.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I mean, if you're going to say "peaceful racist protest it allowed under the first amendment" then why not make it perfectly okay for people to emotionally abuse each other in all sorts of other instances too? For example inter-spousal violence: let's just make it "voilence" if the woman or man gets hit, and look the other way if the woman or man is undergoing all sorts of nasty psychological and emotional torture...

Interesting analogy.

I have a theory on why the restrictions on free speech when it comes to spousal abuse haven't made their way into race relations. I believe it's because there are enough white people who still identify with the KKK. Not in the sense that they'd join the KKK (no, they're much too respectable to do that), but in the sense that they feel the KKK "has a point".

[GaryC 7]

I mean, if you're going to say "peaceful racist protest it allowed under the first amendment" then why not make it perfectly okay for people to emotionally abuse each other in all sorts of other instances too? For example inter-spousal violence: let's just make it "voilence" if the woman or man gets hit, and look the other way if the woman or man is undergoing all sorts of nasty psychological and emotional torture...

Interesting analogy.

I have a theory on why the restrictions on free speech when it comes to spousal abuse haven't made their way into race relations. I believe it's because there are enough white people who still identify with the KKK. Not in the sense that they'd join the KKK (no, they're much too respectable to do that), but in the sense that they feel the KKK "has a point".

Sorry, I am as lily white as you get and also very conservative but the only point the KKK has is on the top of their heads. I know a few red necks that think that way but I don't know very many that think the KKK has any point at all.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I mean, if you're going to say "peaceful racist protest it allowed under the first amendment" then why not make it perfectly okay for people to emotionally abuse each other in all sorts of other instances too? For example inter-spousal violence: let's just make it "voilence" if the woman or man gets hit, and look the other way if the woman or man is undergoing all sorts of nasty psychological and emotional torture...

Interesting analogy.

I have a theory on why the restrictions on free speech when it comes to spousal abuse haven't made their way into race relations. I believe it's because there are enough white people who still identify with the KKK. Not in the sense that they'd join the KKK (no, they're much too respectable to do that), but in the sense that they feel the KKK "has a point".

Sorry, I am as lily white as you get and also very conservative but the only point the KKK has is on the top of their heads. I know a few red necks that think that way but I don't know very many that think the KKK has any point at all.

I'm saying I believe "enough" white people think that way, not all or even most. All progress in race relations in this country occurred when a certain critical mass was achieved among white people. When it comes to the unacceptability of open displays of racial supremacy meant to intimidate members of a minority community, we just haven't gotten there yet.

[Moonie 0]

No matter what the constitution says or doesn't say there will always have groups that hate motivated by fear. The thrive on fear the whole "they taking stuff away from us" They prey on people from low incomes and broken homes that are looking for an excuse as to why their life is messed up. I don't believe the numbers are as high as they say and if they want to march down the street and preach their #######, I don't have a problem with that. Stopping the disease of hate comes from home. You raise your kids to sniff out the weak BS they pass on as so call truth then they appear just as they are clowns.

[GaryC 7]

I mean, if you're going to say "peaceful racist protest it allowed under the first amendment" then why not make it perfectly okay for people to emotionally abuse each other in all sorts of other instances too? For example inter-spousal violence: let's just make it "voilence" if the woman or man gets hit, and look the other way if the woman or man is undergoing all sorts of nasty psychological and emotional torture...

Interesting analogy.

I have a theory on why the restrictions on free speech when it comes to spousal abuse haven't made their way into race relations. I believe it's because there are enough white people who still identify with the KKK. Not in the sense that they'd join the KKK (no, they're much too respectable to do that), but in the sense that they feel the KKK "has a point".

Sorry, I am as lily white as you get and also very conservative but the only point the KKK has is on the top of their heads. I know a few red necks that think that way but I don't know very many that think the KKK has any point at all.

I'm saying I believe "enough" white people think that way, not all or even most. All progress in race relations in this country occurred when a certain critical mass was achieved among white people. When it comes to the unacceptability of open displays of racial supremacy meant to intimidate members of a minority community, we just haven't gotten there yet.

I think it's a lot less than even "enough". It may be different in the south but where I come from the KKK are scumbags that are an embarrassment to the race. They are a fringe group that have no standing in the community. I am not saying that there is no racism here but it isn't on public display like the klan puts it out.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I think it's a lot less than even "enough". It may be different in the south but where I come from the KKK are scumbags that are an embarrassment to the race. They are a fringe group that have no standing in the community. I am not saying that there is no racism here but it isn't on public display like the klan puts it out.

Maybe it is regional. I can tell you, in New Jersey, there's more animosity towards recent immigrant groups (Hispanics, Indians, Pakistanis, etc.) lately than there has been in a long time. Lately white cops have been openly harassing Indians and you see "letters to the editors" in our local newspapers talking about how we deserve it. They may not be Klan but in an environment like this, I bet Klan could move in and "enough" white folk would welcome it. I am sure the cops would, heck they'd probably join.

[GaryC 7]

I think it's a lot less than even "enough". It may be different in the south but where I come from the KKK are scumbags that are an embarrassment to the race. They are a fringe group that have no standing in the community. I am not saying that there is no racism here but it isn't on public display like the klan puts it out.

Maybe it is regional. I can tell you, in New Jersey, there's more animosity towards recent immigrant groups (Hispanics, Indians, Pakistanis, etc.) lately than there has been in a long time. Lately white cops have been openly harassing Indians and you see "letters to the editors" in our local newspapers talking about how we deserve it. They may not be Klan but in an environment like this, I bet Klan could move in and "enough" white folk would welcome it. I am sure the cops would, heck they'd probably join.

Ouch! I have never been to the N.E. so I don't know what the racial climate is there. Here there are good ones and bad ones. Some whites will talk a raciest line but wouldn't be seen in public with a sheet over their heads. But most whites I know are decent people that don't like the Klan or tolerate it's presence. As a whole I doubt if the Klan could get away with a march or rally. I could be wrong but I just don't see it here.

[peejay 327]

... I don't quite buy into the notion that if someone disagrees with present immigration policy that they = KKK.

Your post is the first time I've heard that particular notion even mentioned.

Give me a break. There are quite a few on this forum that get rather nasty and start hurling personal insults / innuendo unless you buy into the notion that all illegal aliens deserve blanket amnesty and anyone that wants to come to the USA in unlimited numbers should be able to.

Of course. I meant with respect to the posted article. I assumed your post was a response to that. I know you've taken a lot of abuse in the past on VJ.

I guess the point I was trying to make was that extremist groups such as the KKK often hitchhike and highjack themselves onto legitimate gripes and concerns that mainstream Americans have in regards to immigration issues (legal and illegal).

Unfortunately this just gives ammunition to far left wing Latino groups such as La Raza that exploit this and label any disagreement with their far left open borders agenda as = to KKK. That is highly deceptive and misleading. It is a cheap tactic that often garners sympathy from the misguided.

While La Raza is nowhere in the league with the KKK, they are definitely left wing apologists and enablers of the illegal alien cheerleader club. I felt I had to bring up this point because La Raza was quoted in the article.

[pedroh 21]

... I don't quite buy into the notion that if someone disagrees with present immigration policy that they = KKK.

Your post is the first time I've heard that particular notion even mentioned.

Give me a break. There are quite a few on this forum that get rather nasty and start hurling personal insults / innuendo unless you buy into the notion that all illegal aliens deserve blanket amnesty and anyone that wants to come to the USA in unlimited numbers should be able to.

Of course. I meant with respect to the posted article. I assumed your post was a response to that. I know you've taken a lot of abuse in the past on VJ.

I guess the point I was trying to make was that extremist groups such as the KKK often hitchhike and highjack themselves onto legitimate gripes and concerns that mainstream Americans have in regards to immigration issues (legal and illegal).

Unfortunately this just gives ammunition to far left wing Latino groups such as La Raza that exploit this and label any disagreement with their far left open borders agenda as = to KKK. That is highly deceptive and misleading. It is a cheap tactic that often garners sympathy from the misguided.

While La Raza is nowhere in the league with the KKK, they are definitely left wing apologists and enablers of the illegal alien cheerleader club. I felt I had to bring up this point because La Raza was quoted in the article.

agree here.. I LOL @ La Raza.. their concept of "Aztlan" is BS and anachronic...