(IR5) confusion about China Marriage Certificate for DS 260 supporting documents

[yuzhang0722 0]

Hi there,

I am putting together all the supporting documents for my parents for DS-260.

For the Marriage certificate, since my parents have the original marriage certificate when they married in china, I have it translated and notarized in US. It includes statement signed by the translator and notarized.

Can I submitted photocopies of my parents' original Marriage certificate along with the translation and notarization or I have to get the Notarial Marriage certificates issued by a local notary public office in china? Anyone had the same experience before?

Thanks for you help.

[unlockingsky 94]

Submitting photocopies with notarized translation will work.

[Darnell 8,478]

are you doing EP for Guangzhou ?

if yes, is dead easy for them to get a white book, a notarial translation pamphlet in china, then step into a copy shop around the corner, scan all and email to you.

this other thing you've described, well, with an interview in Guangzhou, it won't be what the screeners are expecting.

[yuzhang0722 0]

Thanks Darnell for the reply. Yes, i am doing EP for guangzhou. So you mean the white book, a notarial translation pamphlet by local notary public office in china is the standard format they want to see, right?

just curious, what do u mean by screeners?

thanks,

are you doing EP for Guangzhou ?

if yes, is dead easy for them to get a white book, a notarial translation pamphlet in china, then step into a copy shop around the corner, scan all and email to you.

this other thing you've described, well, with an interview in Guangzhou, it won't be what the screeners are expecting.

[Mike and Yaoling 46]

10-4 on the white books, everything else they think is fake. You can buy anything in China. I myself sent original stuffs as well as professionally translated and notarized in the US stuffs for my wife's prior divorce and was denied for a K-1, denied for not sending the white book, they only expect to see the white books.

If it is a Chinese document do yourself a favor and get a white book for it. Part of the white book guarantees that the original Chinese document is indeed legitimate as well as providing an English translation.

By screener he should mean the people looking over your papers, USCIS or Consulate, looking for fakes.

Edited January 31, 2015 by Mike and Yaoling

[Darnell 8,478]

screeners - there are many staff at the IV Unit in Guangzhou -

one set is the screeners - a group of PRC people that take yer documents and review them, give a quickie report back to the Vice-Consuls.

their entire job that morning is to 'screen documents', review documents, read documents, hence the label 'screener'. Perhaps is only my label? I've been using it since 2008.

[yuzhang0722 0]

10-4 on the white books, everything else they think is fake. You can buy anything in China. I myself sent original stuffs as well as professionally translated and notarized in the US stuffs for my wife's prior divorce and was denied for a K-1, denied for not sending the white book, they only expect to see the white books.

If it is a Chinese document do yourself a favor and get a white book for it. Part of the white book guarantees that the original Chinese document is indeed legitimate as well as providing an English translation.

By screener he should mean the people looking over your papers, USCIS or Consulate, looking for fakes.

screeners - there are many staff at the IV Unit in Guangzhou -

one set is the screeners - a group of PRC people that take yer documents and review them, give a quickie report back to the Vice-Consuls.

their entire job that morning is to 'screen documents', review documents, read documents, hence the label 'screener'. Perhaps is only my label? I've been using it since 2008.

Thanks so much Mike and Darnell. I already request my parents to get the white booklets for birth certificate and marriage certificate since Guangzhou has its specific document formats. Thanks for your guys help. It really saved me a lot time.

I am sorry, upon sending the AOS package and supporting documents (IV) package. Another couple of questions for doing EP for guangzhou.

1. For Birth Certificate, my parents and I all will have the 'while' booklet, I will send the scanned white booklet to NVC. Do I need to send the Household Record as well? Since the NVC says the notarial certificates are secondary evidence(please see the info from NVC website below). If I do need submit household record, the scanned document from the original Household Record should be fine? Or they need the certified translation for household record as well?

Available in the form of notarial certificates, which are secondary evidence. Notarial certificates of birth (Chu Sheng Gong Zheng Shu or Chu Sheng Zheng Ming Shu) for persons living in or recently departed from China are generally reliable, but are best used in conjunction with other evidence. They are most often based upon an AHHR, (Household Record) which is easily susceptible to fraud, especially in villages.

2. For the Marriage certificate, if I submit the scanned white booklet, do I need to submit the scanned original marriage certificate as well?

3. What should I put on the right up corner of each page for the forms and supporting document? Only the case number? Any other information as well? like name, SSN?

Much appreciate!

[Mike and Yaoling 46]

1. I don't know if you need to send the Hukou, but if so, I suggest a white book for it. I think it could not hurt.

2. The white books normally contain scanned copies of the originals inside them, so no need to make another copy of the original.

3. I don't know what to say. I pay my lawyer to do these things.

[Darnell 8,478]

1. hukuo - no. it's never used with NVC/Guangzhou IV. However, it is used in China to get a birth certificate in Chinese, which is then taken to another office to get a white book notarial translation of the birth certificate. That site puts up a lot of confusion, as the family book is not presented to Guangzhou IV when a White book exists.

2. No - as there is an image of the red marriage book inside of the white book.

3. i suggest, write in pencil, GZO #, LASTNAME, FirstName, DOB. Don't like that? Edit the pdf file generated with another tool, put on upper right corner of each page.

[yuzhang0722 0]

1. hukuo - no. it's never used with NVC/Guangzhou IV. However, it is used in China to get a birth certificate in Chinese, which is then taken to another office to get a white book notarial translation of the birth certificate. That site puts up a lot of confusion, as the family book is not presented to Guangzhou IV when a White book exists.

2. No - as there is an image of the red marriage book inside of the white book.

3. i suggest, write in pencil, GZO #, LASTNAME, FirstName, DOB. Don't like that? Edit the pdf file generated with another tool, put on upper right corner of each page.

thanks Darnell for all the answers. i have a concern now, i got the police certificate(white book) today, but actually it does not include the certificate which i got from local Public Security Bureau (PSB). It has the Notarial Certificate and the translation. Is it should be like this? or they missed something in my booklet?

And the marriage white booklet does not has the image of the red marriage book as well? Maybe they changed this recently? Thanks for your help.

[Darnell 8,478]

as to police cert white book - that's ok.

as to the white book on marriage cert - that's weird.

each place does it differently, there are many places across china.

review all pages of the marriage white book - are you certain the inside page of the red [chinese] marriage book is not in there, as an image?

Edited February 8, 2015 by Darnell

[yuzhang0722 0]

as to police cert white book - that's ok.

as to the white book on marriage cert - that's weird.

each place does it differently, there are many places across china.

review all pages of the marriage white book - are you certain the inside page of the red [chinese] marriage book is not in there, as an image?

yeah. i called the local notarial office. they said for the marriage certificate. it is like the way it is, not red image in it. I submitted all the AOS and IV documents. Thanks for all your help.

Another question for DS260, my father is the chinese communist member but he is never been an active member, when i fill out the DS-260 do i need to state it? if i state it, is it gonna affect his Visa? i mean will he likely to be rejected just because of this?

if i state my father is chinese communist member, do i need to attach separate document to explain it?

thanks for your help.