Jesse Ventura won't see 'American Sniper,' says Chris Kyle is no hero

[JohnR! 5,495]

Ventura should be tried for treason. What a scumbag...

[decocker 7,198]

Do I sense a crush going on here?

i do not have a crush on jesse ventura. tho i do keep a soft spot for conspiracy theorists.

[decocker 7,198]

At least the movie is based on facts. Religious texts can't make the same claim.

point being, the book and the movie are based in fact. they are not fact.

i don't like the idea of a sniper making money on movie and book deals by exploiting their service. before you say i just hate military or whatever, my grandfather was a marine in wwII and he felt the same way. if anything my opinion on the matter is biased by him.

[LostInAK 43]

point being, the book and the movie are based in fact. they are not fact.

i don't like the idea of a sniper making money on movie and book deals by exploiting their service. before you say i just hate military or whatever, my grandfather was a marine in wwII and he felt the same way. if anything my opinion on the matter is biased by him.

The book and the movie are based on fiction? I'm confused. As far as them making money, why not? They go overseas and put their life on the line for very little pay. I say more power to them if they can make some cash based on their experience when they get back. Seems to me this guy saved a lot of American lives. No matter if you agree with the war or not, that's a good thing in my book. The guy was given a task by his superiors and excelled at it. Maybe if we had more like him in this country, it would be a better place.

[decocker 7,198]

The book and the movie are based on fiction? I'm confused. As far as them making money, why not? They go overseas and put their life on the line for very little pay. I say more power to them if they can make some cash based on their experience when they get back. Seems to me this guy saved a lot of American lives. No matter if you agree with the war or not, that's a good thing in my book. The guy was given a task by his superiors and excelled at it. Maybe if we had more like him in this country, it would be a better place.

no, the book and the movie is based in fact, but in and of themselves - fiction. because it's not entirely fact.

anyone who signs up for military knows the deal. you're not going to get paid much and you could very well be sacrificing everything in exchange for a whole lot of misery. if someone wants to make money talking about their experience, that's their business. just saying, not everyone that is former military feels the same way about such things. my grandfather was the same way with religion, you keep things to yourself. war and god - two things you should never profit from. my paternal grandfather had similar ideals as well, but he was navy and i've seen some not too nice things written here about folks in the navy.

Edited January 29, 2015 by val erie

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

i've seen some not too nice things written here about folks in the navy.

S.E.A.L's are part of the Navy.

[JohnR! 5,495]

The caveat being we really don't know how much fact the book portrays. While the missions and technical details may be true or close to reality, most authors rely on several iterations with editors to make their story palatable and commercially viable.

On top of that, when a book is adapted, it undergoes another barrage of tweaks and rework until you have a final draft that will become the screenplay. Many authors include a clause in their movie deals so they have the final say over the screenplay for that very reason.

In this case, the movie depicts a romantic vision of a story that was a romantic account of something very obscene. Chris Kyle's estate put his memory in a dreadful predicament by agreeing to move forward with the movie deal, which in turn gives room to a lowlife such as Ventura to tarnish a hero's reputation. In the end, it's all about money and publicity, and as everyone in this business know, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

point being, the book and the movie are based in fact. they are not fact.

i don't like the idea of a sniper making money on movie and book deals by exploiting their service. before you say i just hate military or whatever, my grandfather was a marine in wwII and he felt the same way. if anything my opinion on the matter is biased by him.

[decocker 7,198]

S.E.A.L's are part of the Navy.

whatever. my grandfather wasn't a seal. just navy.

[decocker 7,198]

The caveat being we really don't know how much fact the book portrays. While the missions and technical details may be true or close to reality, most authors rely on several iterations with editors to make their story palatable and commercially viable.

On top of that, when a book is adapted, it undergoes another barrage of tweaks and rework until you have a final draft that will become the screenplay. Many authors include a clause in their movie deals so they have the final say over the screenplay for that very reason.

In this case, the movie depicts a romantic vision of a story that was a romantic account of something very obscene. Chris Kyle's estate put his memory in a dreadful predicament by agreeing to move forward with the movie deal, which in turn gives room to a lowlife such as Ventura to tarnish a hero's reputation. In the end, it's all about money and publicity, and as everyone in this business know, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

thing is, the deal with ventura and kyle started way before he died. if it's all about money and publicity - chris kyle's estate aint doin too shabby, even after ventura won the lawsuit.

[JohnR! 5,495]

You nailed it right there.

Unfortunately there seems to be some who believe their service to our country entitles them to recognition and self aggrandizement. My take is that if you served, great. You're a hero so long as you don't ever let yourself believe it for the accolade is not yours for the taking. Thanks for your service and move on with your life. Anyone who believes their uniform should place them above others is not worth of the uniform, and has wasted his or her time serving. If you believe you should be paraded and tapped in the back when you get back home you missed the boat completely.

no, the book and the movie is based in fact, but in and of themselves - fiction. because it's not entirely fact.

anyone who signs up for military knows the deal. you're not going to get paid much and you could very well be sacrificing everything in exchange for a whole lot of misery. if someone wants to make money talking about their experience, that's their business. just saying, not everyone that is former military feels the same way about such things. my grandfather was the same way with religion, you keep things to yourself. war and god - two things you should never profit from. my paternal grandfather had similar ideals as well, but he was navy and i've seen some not too nice things written here about folks in the navy.

There is not such thing as 'just Navy'. His service is no less honorable or distinguished than that of the best SEAL.

whatever. my grandfather wasn't a seal. just navy.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

If you believe you should be paraded and tapped in the back when you get back home you missed the boat completely.

Vietnam era veterans were happy just not to be spit on and called baby killers. I agree, this new batch of veterans has the same sense of entitlement inherent in the rest of their generation. Sickens me to hear them whine all the time, without taking anything away from appreciating their service to the country.

[decocker 7,198]

You nailed it right there.

Unfortunately there seems to be some who believe their service to our country entitles them to recognition and self aggrandizement. My take is that if you served, great. You're a hero so long as you don't ever let yourself believe it for the accolade is not yours for the taking. Thanks for your service and move on with your life. Anyone who believes their uniform should place them above others is not worth of the uniform, and has wasted his or her time serving. If you believe you should be paraded and tapped in the back when you get back home you missed the boat completely.

obviously things have changed a ton since wwII, the condition of the VA speaks volumes. lots of people 'support the troops' with stupid tshirts and liking facebook posts and admonishing folks who they feel are 'unamerican'. supporting the troops is funding programs to help them get on with their civilian lives when they return, free education - job training - whatever is needed. and just look at how many military have committed suicide and left behind children - just last year alone. http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/01/14/military-suicides-up-slightly-in-2014.html

personally, i won't champion one sniper because he made a movie and a book while all these other guys killed themselves for lack of support.

Vietnam era veterans were happy just not to be spit on and called baby killers. I agree, this new batch of veterans has the same sense of entitlement inherent in the rest of their generation. Sickens me to hear them whine all the time, without taking anything away from appreciating their service to the country.

see now that just sounds like a generation gap talking. get off my lawn new batch of veterans!

no?

[decocker 7,198]

There is not such thing as 'just Navy'. His service is no less honorable or distinguished than that of the best SEAL.

well there ya go, he never talked about it. he had an old poke and stick tattoo of an anchor on his arm. i asked him why when i was little and he would just say, i was in the navy. and then my mother would scuttle me away, reminding me it's not polite to ask questions.

[JohnR! 5,495]

And there you have it! When it comes to honoring our vets with hot air and feigned outrage everyone is front and center, but when it comes to actually doing something, it's all about waiting for nanny government to the rescue. It irks me that congress would even consider passing a bill that cuts benefits to our vets, be it the VA or any other form of benefits. We seem pretty quickly to wage war but quite reticent when it comes to dealing with the consequences thereof.

obviously things have changed a ton since wwII, the condition of the VA speaks volumes. lots of people 'support the troops' with stupid tshirts and liking facebook posts and admonishing folks who they feel are 'unamerican'. supporting the troops is funding programs to help them get on with their civilian lives when they return, free education - job training - whatever is needed. and just look at how many military have committed suicide and left behind children - just last year alone. http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/01/14/military-suicides-up-slightly-in-2014.html

personally, i won't champion one sniper because he made a movie and a book while all these other guys killed themselves for lack of support.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I second that position. His service is between him and his country, and it's no one else's business. That's is what serving with honor means to me.

well there ya go, he never talked about it. he had an old poke and stick tattoo of an anchor on his arm. i asked him why when i was little and he would just say, i was in the navy. and then my mother would scuttle me away, reminding me it's not polite to ask questions.