National Health Insurance Now, Not Later

[GaryC 7]

Right, now who isn't thinking honestly? Europe is going socialist. It's what the people there seem to want and they are getting it. I'm not going to divert this topic to whether Europe is socialist or not. As far as I concerned they are either there or getting there.

Let me ask you this. If socialized health care is the right thing because it serves the common good then whats next? Hillary Clinton is already talking about taking Exxon's profits and putting it into an alternate fuel fund. Why doesn't the goverment just nationalize the oil companies? While they are at it they should nationalize the powerplants so everyone will always have heat. Then they need to take over the farms so no one goes hungry. You see what I am saying. At the moment my comments seem outrageous but so did socialized health care 50 years ago. Tomorrow when the left gets done with it they will do just that. I don't want to give an inch when it comes to maintaining our representative democracy. Nationalized health care is just step one. I will never support it.

HUGE YAWN at the rhetorical nonsense. Would you now like to explain to us all why you think the USA is a democracy other than what it actually is which is a constitutional republic? I know it is kind of awkward to ask you to justify your delusional rants but it is sort of important to me that you are not allowed to simply ignore difficult questions. Your constant refusal/inability to deal with them is very helpful to for other readers when they need to form a judgement as to the value of your "opinions" TIA

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Edited February 8, 2007 by Iniibig ko si Luz forever

[DelcoCouple 1]

RIGHT. Your just showing your total lack of understanding. Go back to your cave.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA So amuse me did you ignore the question or refuse to answer it. Let me ask it again so EVERYONE can see exactly what your depth of knowledge about your own country is.

Is the USA

( A ) A democracy

or

( B ) A Constitutional Republic.

Come on I just KNOW you have another schoolboy putdown because having googled it you now face a major problem I really should not engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man it is not fair on you but thanks for the entertainment value

Edited February 8, 2007 by DelcoCouple

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[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Honestly, one of the reasons I am not in favor of government-run healthcare is because it's RUN BY THE GOVERNMENT! Look at how "well" they do in all of their other endeavors. Whenever government gets its sticky hands on something, it all goes to hell and gets screwed up beyond belief. I have yet to see government actually do something efficiently, reliably and cost-effective.

That also. I don't trust the government to do anything right and I will not give them this power over me.

And yet you seem to trust them without question when it comes to spending of billions upon billions of taxpayer dollars to fund questionable wars...

Ok, if you don't trust them to do a war what make you think you can trust them to run a national health care? Hmmm???

Because you don't understand how socialised healthcare works (and there are different systems in numerous countries, which have different systems of funding and management. It's wouldn't be directed from on high by GWB and his cabinet ;-)

There is the word I despise more than ever. We are not a socialistic country. We are a democracy. The government has no right to take over a huge segment of our society or our lives.

And you don't understand socialism either. If you think European democracies which have socialised healthcare are Socialist countries you're buying into a gross generalisation.

Right, now who isn't thinking honestly? Europe is going socialist. It's what the people there seem to want and they are getting it. I'm not going to divert this topic to whether Europe is socialist or not. As far as I concerned they are either there or getting there.

Let me ask you this. If socialized health care is the right thing because it serves the common good then whats next? Hillary Clinton is already talking about taking Exxon's profits and putting it into an alternate fuel fund. Why doesn't the goverment just nationalize the oil companies? While they are at it they should nationalize the powerplants so everyone will always have heat. Then they need to take over the farms so no one goes hungry. You see what I am saying. At the moment my comments seem outrageous but so did socialized health care 50 years ago. Tomorrow when the left gets done with it they will do just that. I don't want to give an inch when it comes to maintaining our representative democracy. Nationalized health care is just step one. I will never support it.

The free market "liberal economics" you swear by are just as prevalent in Europe. So socialist? Hardly...

BTW what is your experience with social healthcare programmes? Ever been treated in a public hospital?

I don't think that National Public Healthcare will take off over here, due to the huge monopoly of health insurance companies - and the many lobbyists they employ. That doesn't mean that I trust them any more than you trust the government - nor do I buy into the argument that people should suffer to preserve that monopoly. I've only been here for 2 years and in that time I've experienced (and seen various members of my wife's family experience) the nasty side of private healthcare (both with and without insurance). That's more problems in 2 years than I ever had dealing with the NHS in 25+ years. Just my experience.

Edited February 8, 2007 by erekose

[DelcoCouple 1]

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BTW what is your experience with social healthcare programmes? Ever been treated in a public hospital?

I don't think that National Public Healthcare will take off over here, due to the huge monopoly of health insurance companies - and the many lobbyists they employ. That doesn't mean that I trust them any more than you trust the government - nor do I buy into the argument that people should suffer to preserve that monopoly. I've only been here for 2 years and in that time I've experienced - and seen various members of my wife's family experience - the nasty side of private healthcare (both with and without insurance). That's more problems than I ever had dealing with the NHS in 25+ years. Just my experience.

Hush do not ask difficult questions

The reality is that the US government actually spends more, measured by both per capita and GDP than other industrialized nations ( Including those pesky socialist Europeans) yet has a higher infant mortality rate and lower life expectancy. So much for private medical insurance saving the tax payer money and providing better care

Don't ya just hate it when reality smacks you in the face? :tongue:

Edited February 8, 2007 by DelcoCouple

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Clearly it doesn't provide better care when Americans pay fantastic (and wildly varying) sums for prescription medication.

Have you ever seen those TV ads for supplemental health insurance which suggest that its not uncommon for people to get 2 or 3 jobs to pay medical bills, or have to choose between medication and having a hot meal on the table. I guess its a different world view. I don't understand it. Some reptilian psychology at work IMO.

Edited February 8, 2007 by erekose

[GaryC 7]

RIGHT. Your just showing your total lack of understanding. Go back to your cave.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA So amuse me did you ignore the question or refuse to answer it. Let me ask it again so EVERYONE can see exactly what your depth of knowledge about your own country is.

Is the USA

( A ) A democracy

or

( B ) A Constitutional Republic.

Come on I just KNOW you have another schoolboy putdown because having googled it you now face a major problem I really should not engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man it is not fair on you but thanks for the entertainment value

Jeez. If you want to get technical we are a Republic. Now go outside and play while the adults talk. Thats a good little boy!

[DelcoCouple 1]

RIGHT. Your just showing your total lack of understanding. Go back to your cave.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA So amuse me did you ignore the question or refuse to answer it. Let me ask it again so EVERYONE can see exactly what your depth of knowledge about your own country is.

Is the USA

( A ) A democracy

or

( B ) A Constitutional Republic.

Come on I just KNOW you have another schoolboy putdown because having googled it you now face a major problem I really should not engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man it is not fair on you but thanks for the entertainment value

Jeez. If you want to get technical we are a Republic. Now go outside and play while the adults talk. Thats a good little boy!

...... We are a democracy.

Forgive me for being a little confused here but are you saying you were wrong and trying a schoolboy put down to ignore any substantive issues raised in this thread? I just want to be 100% clear because if you can be so wrong about the constitution of your own country and then blow it off as a mere technicality it kind of tells me what I need to know about your critical thinking abilities or lack thereof and subsequent credibility or not of your non factual opinions

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

This graph is always worth pulling out -- from that instrument of socialism The Economist. Guess what? As a % of GDP, the US spends as much public money as Canada and Britain, both countries with "socialized healthcare" for all of its citizens, and only marginally less than Germany and France.

[GaryC 7]

Forgive me for being a little confused here but are you saying you were wrong and trying a schoolboy put down to ignore any substantive issues raised in this thread? I just want to be 100% clear because if you can be so wrong about the constitution of your own country and then blow it off as a mere technicality it kind of tells me what I need to know about your critical thinking abilities or lack thereof and subsequent credibility or not of your non factual opinions

You remind me of a 10 year old. Whatever kid. I made my point.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Another thread bites the dust...

Please join me in mourning the death of rational discourse.

I only remember one part of the service. "And the body shall be cast into the sea"

Edited February 8, 2007 by erekose

[dalegg 143]

I don't think that National Public Healthcare will take off over here, due to the huge monopoly of health insurance companies - and the many lobbyists they employ.

There's only one Health Insurance company in the US?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't think that National Public Healthcare will take off over here, due to the huge monopoly of health insurance companies - and the many lobbyists they employ.

There's only one Health Insurance company in the US?

No. There's also more than one media company too

[DelcoCouple 1]

Forgive me for being a little confused here but are you saying you were wrong and trying a schoolboy put down to ignore any substantive issues raised in this thread? I just want to be 100% clear because if you can be so wrong about the constitution of your own country and then blow it off as a mere technicality it kind of tells me what I need to know about your critical thinking abilities or lack thereof and subsequent credibility or not of your non factual opinions

You remind me of a 10 year old. Whatever kid. I made my point.

Oh come on even my 7 year old can admit when he is wrong. Why not try it sometime? It may even lead you to questioning many of the other self evident wrongful opinions you hold and you can join the rest of the grown ups in the real world instead of tossing silly insults around a message board.

Seriously, if you wish to engage in debate then do so. Otherwise go back to yahoo chat rooms. The false comfort you feel of sitting in your chair hidden behind a monitor does not despite what you may believe shield you from mockery and render you infallible.

A debate involves reasoned discussion based on factual information. A bar room brawl between drunken retards however revolves around who yells the most ####### loudest and longest - this was a public information broadcast from someone who can make the distinction between a democracy and a constitutional republic without calling anyone a 10 year old even when they deserve it. As they say in socialist Europe, game set and match my friend - have a nice day

[dalegg 143]

I don't think that National Public Healthcare will take off over here, due to the huge monopoly of health insurance companies - and the many lobbyists they employ.

There's only one Health Insurance company in the US?

No. There's also more than one media company too

How can it be a huge monopoly if there are more than one?