Gunman kills doctor, then himself, at VA hospital in El Paso, Texas

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Reasonable people never lump large swaths of people together for no real reason. Instead of showing "double standards" the correct argument here is to show why these Islamic terrorists were not following the word of Muhammad or Allah or whatever. Anything else is pointless deflection.

What better way than showing that Islam's holy book does not call for any revenge for blasphemy; that, in fact, it doesn't even address the issue of blasphemy? But all that falls on deaf ears.

[JohnR! 5,495]

As are Catholics brainwashed and fed swill by the Vatican.

You can find passages in the christian apocrypha that can be interpreted as condoning the murder of non believers. In fact, the Vatican sanctioned and sponsored torture and murder of non-believer and prosecuted them for centuries - the very seed from which the First Amendment stemmed.

As I pointed out in other posts, all three monotheistic religions worship the one and same god of Avraam. You can't indict Islam without indicting its sister, Christianity. Same god. Same methods.

The Vatican only holds sway over Catholics. Islamic terrorists are brainwashed with religion. And its quite effective. Is there a place in the Qur'an that stipulates killing is never justified? If so, these guys aren't following Islam. If there's a place that says its ok to kill people that make fun of the profit, then they're following properly.

[GandD 5,966]

What better way than showing that Islam's holy book does not call for any revenge for blasphemy; that, in fact, it doesn't even address the issue of blasphemy? But all that falls on deaf ears.

That's how you do it. If it falls on deaf ears, it falls on deaf ears. If someone doesn't want to believe a 100% proven/fact based truth......... well, that's their problem and the point to where any reasonable person ends the discussion.

[GandD 5,966]

As are Catholics brainwashed and fed swill by the Vatican.

You can find passages in the christian apocrypha that can be interpreted as condoning the murder of non believers. In fact, the Vatican sanctioned and sponsored torture and murder of non-believer and prosecuted them for centuries - the very seed from which the First Amendment stemmed.

As I pointed out in other posts, all three monotheistic religions worship the one and same god of Avraam. You can't indict Islam without indicting its sister, Christianity. Same god. Same methods.

This is a deflection. And not only do I know they're the same, I've said it here many times. Two wrongs do not make a right people. I'm not indicting Islam, I'm telling Marvin the proper way to defend it without looking like a finger pointer. You guys are all jumping all over the comparison stuff and I haven't even said anything negative about Islam. Why is that?

[JohnR! 5,495]

Because you're honest with your posts and it's easy to build on what you say sometimes. The idea is not to make two wrongs right so much as to build a parallel between them.

Not may here are as honest and candid as you are.

This is a deflection. And not only do I know they're the same, I've said it here many times. Two wrongs do not make a right people. I'm not indicting Islam, I'm telling Marvin the proper way to defend it without looking like a finger pointer. You guys are all jumping all over the comparison stuff and I haven't even said anything negative about Islam. Why is that?

[GandD 5,966]

So that people can see their infatuation with one type of violence, yes I'm aware. But that has nearly eclipsed root causing anything and I grow weary of the finger pointing.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I've been trying since I stepped foot in this forum. So have a few others. I see why they gave up.

I do miss Sofya and wife_of_mahmoud.

[decocker 7,198]

I do miss Sofya and wife_of_mahmoud.

ditto.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

The Vatican only holds sway over Catholics. Islamic terrorists are brainwashed with religion. And its quite effective. Is there a place in the Qur'an that stipulates killing is never justified? If so, these guys aren't following Islam. If there's a place that says its ok to kill people that make fun of the profit, then they're following properly.

1. Terrorism is above all murder. Murder is strictly forbidden in the Qur’an. Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”

http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html

There's a lot to learn if folks are willing to push past their hate.

[GandD 5,966]

1. Terrorism is above all murder. Murder is strictly forbidden in the Qur’an. Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”

http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html

There's a lot to learn if folks are willing to push past their hate.

What does this mean:

" or for wreaking corruption in the land"

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

What does this mean:

" or for wreaking corruption in the land"

That applies to the Great Satan.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

What does this mean:

" or for wreaking corruption in the land"

I'd wager being a bad man all around the land.

[GandD 5,966]

I'd wager being a bad man all around the land.

That's not open to interpretation............

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

That's not open to interpretation............

I know.

[decocker 7,198]

isn't that the whole problem? it's all open for interpretation.