2 NYPD officers shot, killed in ambush on cop car

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

So, by that logic, does that mean every crime that white people are by leaps and bounds ahead(white collar comes to mind) shouldn't cops be harassing other well off white people because of those criminals?

The black community has to decide whether or not they want a strong police presence in their neighborhoods to discourage crime and all that goes with that, or not. I would conjecture, at least from the on the street interviews in Fergussion, those citizens that work and live in the neighborhoods prefer the occasional extra scrutiny rather than seeing the places where they work and shop being burnt to the ground. The thugs that were doing the looting and the burning, were not model citizens, by any means.

[Karee 4,190]

exactly. and white collar/corporate is not pursued in the same fashion or at the same rate. the game is rigged.

So lets say that black people represented 13 percent of all the Bankers in the U.S., yet committed 50% of the bank fraud. What would you say to that?

Your trying to make a point using apples and oranges comparisons.

[Teddy B 17,252]

How many businessmen do you think get pulled over and accused of being embezzlers because they're wearing an expensive three piece suit and a nice car? Not trying to be funny, just making a point about perceptions.

Can you honestly make that comparison Marv? I don't think so. Most black crime is street crime, not something that takes place in a 200 story high rise with a bank book.

[Karee 4,190]

The black community has to decide whether or not they want a strong police presence in their neighborhoods to discourage crime and all that goes with that, or not. I would conjecture, at least from the on the street interviews in Fergussion, those citizens that work and live in the neighborhoods prefer the occasional extra scrutiny rather than seeing the places where they work and shop being burnt to the ground. The thugs that were doing the looting and the burning, were not model citizens, by any means.

[Teddy B 17,252]

exactly. and white collar/corporate is not pursued in the same fashion or at the same rate. the game is rigged.

Why should it be? A lot less people get dead from white collar crime than street crime.

[decocker 7,198]

The main focus is on violent crimes, as it should be. But there are white collar crimes that are tried and convicted every year, do you think the majority of those convictions would be whites or blacks? A big hug for honesty on this one.

oh no, the main focus is not violent crime. you're not giving 'protection of property' enough clout. let's not forget the main reason our police and pic exists and functions as it does. if 'violent crime' were such a big deal, i can't really think of anything more violent than killing an entire classroom of children, or spraying up a movie theater full of people.

no doubt you'd have more white people committing white collar crime, but that's not even my point. we don't have good numbers on white collar crime because we don't pursue it in the same fashion.

[Karee 4,190]

Why should it be? A lot less people get dead from white collar crime than street crime.

Yeah there's that as well. Although a white collar criminal can affect 1000s of people with one keystroke, the common street thug would have a hard time doing that. Again that goes back to opportunity though. The common street criminal never gets the chance to press that key.

Edited December 22, 2014 by Karee

[decocker 7,198]

Why should it be? A lot less people get dead from white collar crime than street crime.

well that's easy to say, if someone shoots someone else in the middle of the street it's pretty easy to gauge the damage - a life has been lost. someone squanders away the 401k of twenty or so people, the devastation and consequences of that criminal act are much more difficult to trace. especially over time.

So lets say that black people represented 13 percent of all the Bankers in the U.S., yet committed 50% of the bank fraud. What would you say to that?

Your trying to make a point using apples and oranges comparisons.

actually, i don't understand. what would i say to a made up number? it's a made up number.

[Teddy B 17,252]

oh no, the main focus is not violent crime. you're not giving 'protection of property' enough clout. let's not forget the main reason our police and pic exists and functions as it does. if 'violent crime' were such a big deal, i can't really think of anything more violent than killing an entire classroom of children, or spraying up a movie theater full of people.

no doubt you'd have more white people committing white collar crime, but that's not even my point. we don't have good numbers on white collar crime because we don't pursue it in the same fashion.

Killing an entire classroom of children certainly is violent and it does get plenty of attention and many new policies have been put in place to help prevent it from happening again. But more blacks are killed in one weekend of street crime in Chicago than any of the classroom shootings. The numbers do not bear out for the argument you are trying to make.

[decocker 7,198]

The black community has to decide whether or not they want a strong police presence in their neighborhoods to discourage crime and all that goes with that, or not. I would conjecture, at least from the on the street interviews in Fergussion, those citizens that work and live in the neighborhoods prefer the occasional extra scrutiny rather than seeing the places where they work and shop being burnt to the ground. The thugs that were doing the looting and the burning, were not model citizens, by any means.

oh ffs. here we go with the black community again. all the double standard talk, here's your sign.

[GandD 5,966]

Was that a Bill Engvall ref?

[Karee 4,190]

oh ffs. here we go with the black community again. all the double standard talk, here's your sign.

Ohh so the black community can only be used when they're acting like the collective victim? Not the other way around? More double standards.

Edited December 22, 2014 by Karee

[decocker 7,198]

Killing an entire classroom of children certainly is violent and it does get plenty of attention and many new policies have been put in place to help prevent it from happening again. But more blacks are killed in one weekend of street crime in Chicago than any of the classroom shootings. The numbers do not bear out for the argument you are trying to make.

you don't understand my argument. killing an entire classroom and as you said, new policies are in place and yada yada. a whole slew of innocent people are killed daily across this country to violence and we don't care so much. it's not a sensational story, and it seems a large sector of the american public believes that non-sensational violence is a black problem.

[decocker 7,198]

Ohh so the black community can only be used when they're actuling like the collective victim? Not the other way around? More double standards.

i didn't say that. what i have said is the idea of black community as it is presented in bootstrap theory - is a myth. there can't be a collective victim to a singular act.

[Karee 4,190]

there can't be a collective victim to a singular act.

Tell that to all the idiots running around with their hands up in the air.