Visitor B1/B2 declined. Visitor Visa declined; Reapplying, better prepared. Advice would be appreciated

[msbau764 245]

Dominican Republic had a 35.9% Refusal Rate last year on B2 visa application for 2014. Certainly on the high end of the spectrum. With more than 1 in 3 B2 being rejected in DR.

Ironically Columbia is 12% Denied and Mexico 15% denied. in 2014. far far far lower and still quite close. (B2) ...

Another sad fact is that the morality in this day and age is such that the "child behind" is no longer a marker of "ties" but a small piece of undeveloped land is.

The OP country is an EXTREMELY LOW % of Denial country: 2.6% --- 38 YES to 1 NO.... so she should just re-apply and try again with another CO and more details.

One is able to have legal counsel send correspondence within the U.S. to apply pressure for the B2 approval. Plenty of stories. If someone really wants it, they'll get it.

Those are marketing numbers. I believe reapproval rates are included (if you had a visa and reapply you are practically guaranteed to get a second one). Do you really believe only 2.6% of visas are refused in South Africa? Common sense says no. I don't believe those numbers for one second.

[asisflyer 47]

Those are marketing numbers. I believe reapproval rates are included (if you had a visa and reapply you are practically guaranteed to get a second one). Do you really believe only 2.6% of visas are refused in South Africa? Common sense says no. I don't believe those numbers for one second.

The data is actually by Citizenship irrespective of which US Embassy or Consulate the application is lodged at. ie UAE working in Japan might interview at Tokyo and be recorded as UAE.

Data is based on final determination status within the given Calendar Year -- so multiple 2014 would be recorded as final result in that year.

DOS has no reason to fictionalize this data before Congress or in the Federal Register.

If you believe it is not accurate, go ahead and write to Chairman of DHS Oversight to enquire on the accuracy.

[Boiler 45,837]

I doubt it is inaccurate. Misleading maybe.

[Ning 619]

If you married the USC and then apply B2 ... Intent is heavily presumed until proven otherwise:

Also bear in mind that there are government workers, academics, and professionals who require B1 travel for Biz, Conferences, Lectures, Training, etc.

DID:

1. USC had Work Permit for 1+ year.

2. USC at same job there 1+ year.

3. USC 1-year or more Extension(s) of Stay - not the 30/90 day games.

4. Proof of Property ownership spouse

5. Proof of Employment of Alien Spouse with minimum 6 months at same job (even if salary is low) or proof of business ownership.

6. USC had no US land, house, job, bank accounts, car, etc. - he's disconnected

7. USC spent less than 30 days per year in USA. - he's disconnected.

8. USC has property, licenses, banking, etc. in Domicile country or multiple non-US countries.

9. Does USC file foreign exclusion, report NRA spouse, and show income on the returns.

I have heard of a 20+ Year Expat who hadn't been to the U.S. for 6 years have the spouse get a B2 denial because he was a Retirement visa and not working

and his assets were no deemed as important as his lack of work... and this does seem to be the case that a job producing income overrides assets in bank.

I have also heard of the unemployed USC long-term expat with long-term visa having alien wife approved B2 from her income and property alone.

SEPARATELY relating to OP. If your husband is USC ( I must have missed that ) -- then you need proof of his Domicile in your country (not his residence)

1. Does he hold PR in your country? if not, does he have a long-term work visa and long term job?

2. Has he divested of properties/assets/life in USA?

3. Has he invested in properties/assets/life in your country?

Along those lines.

Hope it helps.

My intent was to point out that even having a child behind isn't enough to cause an approval. I don't want to derail the O Ps post to respond to what you have said. You are correct in some but your assumptions are not correct.

I am for example a USC at this point because my husband decided we should use the legal processes to become a USC overcome the inability of the system that you describe to prevent me from the freedom of choice rather than submit to someones idea of intent. I was certainly going to return to Thailand.

[Jawaree 718]

Too soon after application...very anxious to obtain visa

These letters on your behalf from the US does nothing to help

application except to say potential romantic move with your

online pal (they see it regularly) or U have no problems remaining

in the US if U decide to.

have to be consistent on what U put on applications.

I suggest U give it time, have a good bank balance to show U can

afford a vacation, show strong ties to your country, land/car titles

and convince the CO U will return home...right now U will be denied

[Hopeful_2015 0]

Ok I know quite a few people that obtained tourist visas from Cape Town. I think you should try again.

I would bring your bank statements showing that you have money and you can also afford the trip. So it doesn't look like the friend is paying everything. I think they might of been worried that your friend is actually your boyfriend or fiance and you plan to stay in the USA.

Was just wondering if I should go back into the D160 and shorten my length of stay, from 24days to 2weeks? Would that make a difference. My return ticket has been paid so I have spending money...

That's my sentiment too, re the friend thing

[Hypnos 6,577]

I doubt the length of your stay is going to make much difference one way or another.

[MacUK 983]

Was just wondering if I should go back into the D160 and shorten my length of stay, from 24days to 2weeks? Would that make a difference. My return ticket has been paid so I have spending money...

That's my sentiment too, re the friend thing

A: Remember, the reason you was denied was the CO believed that you would fraudulently use the visa to immigrate and either adjust status or simply overstay.

Changing the length of your visit does nothing to change that assumption as what would a return date matter if they think you're never planning to go home.

And B: After you've already been denied for a visa for your planned journey length then go back straight away with a different plan then it might appear to the CO that you're trying anything to get the visa and therefore trying too hard to get to the States, increasing their presumption of immigrant intent.

If you're going to reapply then you should try to be consistent with your plans.

As IanH said, until the US chooses to be more stringent with people who abuse their tourist visas then there will always be innocents who will suffer for it.

But far too many people from all over the world have applied for tourist visas to visit a 'friend' only to magically fall in love and decide to stay.

Often before they've even got out of the airport.

[Ian H. 207]

I agree with previous statements. Changing anything on your new application would not look good because they will think that you are trying too hard to enter the US. I know they say that you can apply again if you feel that all of the facts weren't considered, but that's exactly how they make their money.

They know that some people will believe that if they present all of the facts again or more clearly or what have you, that they will be approved, but they just aren't. I cannot stress enough how arbitrary this process is and you would only be giving them your hard earned money. The worst that can happen is another denial and you would lose the new application fee, so if you can afford it, then by all means.

However, I would like to point out that two previous denials will look worse than one. So when you try to apply for a visa again in the future, if you get denied again, it would have been better to have one denial instead of two or three for example. That's not to say that people with multiple denials will always get denied, of course not. You do however have to keep in mind that the more negative factors you add to your case, the less likely you are to be approved.

People just aren't given a fair chance in this process, it honestly is based on luck. I have seen so many people who get approved with almost no ties to their country and in my experience these people typically end up returning home. I have also seen people with many ties to their country who get approved and typically are the ones that end up staying.

Sometimes people with a lot of ties get denied just because the CO was in a bad mood. It honestly is ridiculous. That's like a cop giving you a traffic ticket because he/she was in a bad mood and didn't like the color of your car, it's completely erratic. Like I said, you can apply again, but you do have to be consistent with your plans. Good luck.

[Hopeful_2015 0]

I agree with previous statements. Changing anything on your new application would not look good because they will think that you are trying too hard to enter the US. I know they say that you can apply again if you feel that all of the facts weren't considered, but that's exactly how they make their money.

They know that some people will believe that if they present all of the facts again or more clearly or what have you, that they will be approved, but they just aren't. I cannot stress enough how arbitrary this process is and you would only be giving them your hard earned money. The worst that can happen is another denial and you would lose the new application fee, so if you can afford it, then by all means.

However, I would like to point out that two previous denials will look worse than one. So when you try to apply for a visa again in the future, if you get denied again, it would have been better to have one denial instead of two or three for example. That's not to say that people with multiple denials will always get denied, of course not. You do however have to keep in mind that the more negative factors you add to your case, the less likely you are to be approved.

People just aren't given a fair chance in this process, it honestly is based on luck. I have seen so many people who get approved with almost no ties to their country and in my experience these people typically end up returning home. I have also seen people with many ties to their country who get approved and typically are the ones that end up staying.

Sometimes people with a lot of ties get denied just because the CO was in a bad mood. It honestly is ridiculous. That's like a cop giving you a traffic ticket because he/she was in a bad mood and didn't like the color of your car, it's completely erratic. Like I said, you can apply again, but you do have to be consistent with your plans. Good luck.

Thank you for your feedback, appreciated.

Just a question…

Been thinking through advice and comments re my situation.

Here’s what I think I should do:

Cancel flights (I have selected the money back guarantee if visa is declined). I will only book flight once visa is approved. But my hope is to fly by latest 20 January (I usually take my annual leave at this time of the year, so will be reversing my leave).

Am I able to redo the D160 if already submitted? Complete an entirely new one? I want to complete a new application and this time leave out the friend completely. My hope is to fly to NY instead, and have a hotel reservation as accommodation. My visit will now be either 7 days or 2 weeks. I will be prepared with an itinerary of places I will like to visit during my stay, and ensure enough finances.

Reschedule appointment for mid-January. This will be a month after my appointment two days ago.

Thoughts?

[Ning 619]

Was just wondering if I should go back into the D160 and shorten my length of stay, from 24days to 2weeks? Would that make a difference. My return ticket has been paid so I have spending money...

That's my sentiment too, re the friend thing

No. Its wont help at the embassy and the length of stay is actually determined at the POE.

[MacUK 983]

Am I able to redo the D160 if already submitted? Complete an entirely new one? I want to complete a new application and this time leave out the friend completely. My hope is to fly to NY instead, and have a hotel reservation as accommodation. My visit will now be either 7 days or 2 weeks. I will be prepared with an itinerary of places I will like to visit during my stay, and ensure enough finances.

Again, changing the details of your trip immediately after a denial will look like you're just trying desperately to get to the US and will say anything to do it.

They will have the details of your previous application and you can guarantee they'll ask about why you're suddenly not going to see this friend.

But, it seems you are determined to keep trying so it's up to you.

[Hopeful_2015 0]

Again, changing the details of your trip immediately after a denial will look like you're just trying desperately to get to the US and will say anything to do it.

They will have the details of your previous application and you can guarantee they'll ask about why you're suddenly not going to see this friend.

But, it seems you are determined to keep trying so it's up to you.

I'm suddenly not going to see him because "he has work and unable to accommodate me any longer" I'm only able to take holiday leave this time of the year, hence I needed to adapt my plans accordingly. I'm needed back in office because one of my duties is Personal Assistant to an Executive Manager, and usually we take leave at the same time.

[msbau764 245]

I'm suddenly not going to see him because "he has work and unable to accommodate me any longer" I'm only able to take holiday leave this time of the year, hence I needed to adapt my plans accordingly. I'm needed back in office because one of my duties is Personal Assistant to an Executive Manager, and usually we take leave at the same time.

wait a year, travel to another developed country, reapply. It seems like a desperate measure to apply so soon after a denial.

The data is actually by Citizenship irrespective of which US Embassy or Consulate the application is lodged at. ie UAE working in Japan might interview at Tokyo and be recorded as UAE.

Data is based on final determination status within the given Calendar Year -- so multiple 2014 would be recorded as final result in that year.

DOS has no reason to fictionalize this data before Congress or in the Federal Register.

If you believe it is not accurate, go ahead and write to Chairman of DHS Oversight to enquire on the accuracy.

those numbers are not accurate. very hard to believe South Africa has a 2.6% denial rate. that is fiction. Do you trust everything the government tells you? I don't.

[Hopeful_2015 0]

wait a year, travel to another developed country, reapply. It seems like a desperate measure to apply so soon after a denial.

You think? What if I have no ambition to travel to another country? I've already visited the UK, didn't overstay. It's not like I'm a frequent traveller. I've always wanted to visit the States.