Guns

[Nessa 23]

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[Augustajim 0]

Never know when i might feel the need to kill a bird. Love to bird hunt.

[ELW 5]

You should have added to the poll:

__I am a man

__I am a woman

and then compare the percentages.

[natty bumppo 297]

I’m not intending to start a huge controversy, but I remembered a comment about a K1 nonimmigrant (beneficiary) and gun ownership on a different thread.

I think the K1 will need to be adjusted to immigrant status before the person will be able to purchase and/or legally own a firearm.

Here is what I located on the web from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_Owne...ion_Act_of_1986

“The older Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits firearms ownership in the United States of America by certain broad categories of individuals thought to pose a threat to public safety. …. This list was later augmented, modified, and clarified in the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of 1986 …:

….

Any alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United states under a nonimmigrant visa. “

I’m not sure if I have all the up-to-date information.

Just thought I’d toss in my.02¢. Hopefully I won’t be shot at … or abused too badly.

[Alex+R 0]

HA. That sure riled you and Chuckles up, eh Nessa?

Anyone who thinks that gun freedom to the extent the NRA advocates is under the Constitution has a lot to learn about U.S. history (understandable if you are an immigrant). BUT, there are many reasons people have guns, and people should be able to have them if necessary, IMO. I am not for gun control to the extent that nobody can have guns. I just think the restrictions on who can have one need to be strong.

People who might need to protect their horse from a coyote (problem in MN) should be able to shoot the coyote, for an example.

When are men compensating when they have a gun? When they have a million guns and don't stop talking about their huge unnecessary arsenal and their fascination with it. They're compensating for something, and it might not be the obvious thing.

Don't make angry polls, Nessa.

[Nessa 23]

I'm not angry, darling, I have never seen a person who was in the military not like and talk about guns. Nice try, tho.

Anyway, back to guns, Natty, as far as I'm concenrned only US citizens are eligible to buying/owning firearms, right? So an immigrant that has US citizenship can buy/own guns.

[Henia 11]

I think they are mistaking getting their right to bare arms. But ok, is there a war going on here in the US? Um, no... so I donnot see why people need guns at home, unless you live in like let's say North Oakland or Compton....

[natty bumppo 297]

I'm not angry, darling, I have never seen a person who was in the military not like and talk about guns. Nice try, tho.

Anyway, back to guns, Natty, as far as I'm concenrned only US citizens are eligible to buying/owning firearms, right? So an immigrant that has US citizenship can buy/own guns.

I’m no expert on the subject. What I think the words indicate is a person will need to be a USC or hold an immigrant visa in order to legally buy/ own firearms. The K-1 is … correct me if I’m wrong … a nonimmigrant visa. After the marriage, the K-1 holder adjusts status and eventually becomes an immigrant (LPR, USC, etc).

This law covers the legal ownership. Of course there is “illegal” ownership where the person who is not entitled to buy/ own … does … buy/ own via not legal methods. When they do this they are breaking the law and are subject to a “world of hurt” if caught by law enforcement.

Eta:

Here is the ATF Form 4473 that must be completed by the purchaser of a firearm. On Page 3 there is a section covering Immigrants and nonimmigrant. It appears there is an “exception” for nonimmigrant status. Looks like one of the exceptions is a “State issued hunting license” (page 3, section 6, exception 2).

So, looks like I need to make a correction in my earlier statement. Please read the form. You may need to lookup the file in a better format.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/4473/index.htm

As I said before, this is a bit of a learning process for me too and it appears, I still need to learn more.

I'll be happy to help you track down more information. Drop me a PM anytime.

[Alex+R 0]

I'm not angry, darling, I have never seen a person who was in the military not like and talk about guns. Nice try, tho.

Hmm... most of the men in my family have served as officers and none of them are very interested in guns at all. They all know how to use them and lots of other weapons, but their interest in the weapons seems to end when they enter civilian life. Weird. Maybe it is a Kansas thing (what else are you going to do out there?)

[Nessa 23]

Well in my case I'm not a citizen, I'm not even sure I'll ever apply for citizenship, so I can't own nor buy guns. But then again, I live in a house full of them, I have access anytime. If someone breaks in nothing stops me from shooting them. I don't know if that will get me in trouble, since I am not allowed to own guns, but I won't think twice if such happens, I'll shoot.

[Nessa 23]

Hmm... most of the men in my family have served as officers and none of them are very interested in guns at all. They all know how to use them and lots of other weapons, but their interest in the weapons seems to end when they enter civilian life. Weird. Maybe it is a Kansas thing (what else are you going to do out there?)

I doubt it's a Kansas thing since my husband is not from Kansas.

[Alex+R 0]

That's right, Texas. Well, I guess that one was a no-brainer.

PS I see you have picked up Charles's special use of the word "such"

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

Don't make angry polls, Nessa.

apparently that's your job

[natty bumppo 297]

Well in my case I'm not a citizen, I'm not even sure I'll ever apply for citizenship, so I can't own nor buy guns. But then again, I live in a house full of them, I have access anytime. If someone breaks in nothing stops me from shooting them. I don't know if that will get me in trouble, since I am not allowed to own guns, but I won't think twice if such happens, I'll shoot.

I think something was missed. There are exceptions for nonimmigrant visa status so you may actually be able to buy/ own. But you've got a "house full" so that's probably not an issue. I would like to suggest a firearms safety course to take the "mystery/ hollywood hype/ fear factor" away. Basically, just learn to be safe.

There are probably courses for fiream safety in your area. If it’s a good course they will have someone instructing or available to answer your more detailed questions, particularly about self-defense.

Also, not only do the Federal laws need to be followed, you also need to follow State (local) laws as well. Can’t speak much about TX or KS provisions as I’m a recent transplant from VA.

A little more info about exceptions:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_s...22----000-.html

18 USC § 922(y)(2)

(y) Provisions Relating to Aliens Admitted Under Nonimmigrant Visas.—

(1) Definitions.— In this subsection—

(A) the term “alien” has the same meaning as in section 101(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(3)); and

(B ) the term “nonimmigrant visa” has the same meaning as in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26)).

(2) Exceptions.— Subsections (d)(5)(B ), (g)(5)(B ), and (s)(3)(B )(v)(II) do not apply to any alien who has been lawfully admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, if that alien is—

(A) admitted to the United States for lawful hunting or sporting purposes or is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States;

(B ) an official representative of a foreign government who is—

(i) accredited to the United States Government or the Government’s mission to an international organization having its headquarters in the United States; or

(ii) en route to or from another country to which that alien is accredited;

© an official of a foreign government or a distinguished foreign visitor who has been so designated by the Department of State; or

(D) a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business.

(3) Waiver.—

(A) Conditions for waiver.— Any individual who has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa may receive a waiver from the requirements of subsection (g)(5), if—

(i) the individual submits to the Attorney General a petition that meets the requirements of subparagraph ©; and

(ii) the Attorney General approves the petition.

(B ) Petition.— Each petition under subparagraph (B ) shall—

(i) demonstrate that the petitioner has resided in the United States for a continuous period of not less than 180 days before the date on which the petition is submitted under this paragraph; and

(ii) include a written statement from the embassy or consulate of the petitioner, authorizing the petitioner to acquire a firearm or ammunition and certifying that the alien would not, absent the application of subsection (g)(5)(B ), otherwise be prohibited from such acquisition under subsection (g).

© Approval of petition.— The Attorney General shall approve a petition submitted in accordance with this paragraph, if the Attorney General determines that waiving the requirements of subsection (g)(5)(B ) with respect to the petitioner—

(i) would be in the interests of justice; and

(ii) would not jeopardize the public safety. [APPENDIX A Repealed. Pub. L. 103–322, title XI, § 110105(2), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2000]

[natty bumppo 297]

Ok ... now I've hit the TMI level ...

(Time for me to go back into lurk mode)