NYPD Officer Sued 3 Times Before Death of Eric Garner

[LibCampFireClub 635]

I'll and help you out since I know if things move too fast you lose focus:

1. Yes.

2. No, because assaulting a police officer doesn't mean death sentence. See Eric Frein. He killed a state trooper and wounded another one, yet he lives. Or the guy who fought about 5 police officers and grabbed one of their guns and got a shot off. Somehow he's still alive.

3. Show me all 16 witnesses that were impeached. Take your time, I got all night.

4. I wasn't there, nor do I walk around protesting this. Here's a better question for you. Why don't you ask someone who does this. Then come back here and let us know.

Thanks for painting yourself right into the anarchist's corner. No matter how much you'd like to have it your way, rest assured that the US legal system is not Burger King. Here's a couple of tips for you to help you avoid finding yourself in the same mess as Michael Brown:

1. Follow the officer's difection when asked to get oversized butt out of the middle of the road

2. Unless specifically invited, do not enter a police officer's vehicle.

3. Do not attempt to remove a police officers gun from their holster to see if it has ketchup and mustard stains on it.

4. After you punch a police officer and run away, the better choice is to keep running away. Do not turn around and bum rush him.

Note, these tips are guidelines, and will help keep you alive if you follow them. That does not preclude you from shooting your big mouth off about how you think cops are killing blacks in the street for no reason whatsoever.

[Karee 4,191]

Thanks for painting yourself right into the anarchist's corner. No matter how much you'd like to have it your way, rest assured that the US legal system is not Burger King. Here's a couple of tips for you to help you avoid finding yourself in the same mess as Michael Brown:

1. Follow the officer's difection when asked to get oversized butt out of the middle of the road

2. Unless specifically invited, do not enter a police officer's vehicle.

3. Do not attempt to remove a police officers gun from their holster to see if it has ketchup and mustard stains on it.

4. After you punch a police officer and run away, the better choice is to keep running away. Do not turn around and bum rush him.

Note, these tips are guidelines, and will help keep you alive if you follow them. That does not preclude you from shooting your big mouth off about how you think cops are killing blacks in the street for no reason whatsoever.

Seems like common sense. Common sense went out the window long ago in regards to this case and these moronic protestors.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Seems like common sense. Common sense went out the window long ago in regards to this case and these moronic protestors.

There is a group of humans who have a whole new set of common sense rules. That's right, they have actually regulated and applied them. We can all see it, but can we stop it?

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/12/06/Harris-Perry-Ferguson-Arson-Looting-Not-Necessarily-Violence

[Karee 4,191]

There is a group of humans who have a whole new set of common sense rules. That's right, they have actually regulated and applied them. We can all see it, but can we stop it?

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/12/06/Harris-Perry-Ferguson-Arson-Looting-Not-Necessarily-Violence

I wonder if she would still have that opinion if her house or business was burnt to the ground.

Pretty sad there's a whole segment of society that thinks it's perfectly fine to burn other people's property because a violent criminal was shot dead in self defense, just because of the race of the violent criminal. How racist!!

It's becoming clearer to me everyday that some in the black community in this country don't want equality, they want special treatment. And there's a bunch of uneducated dimwits more than willing to help out. Wont be seeing anything close to racial harmony in this country for a long time to come. The events of the last couple months have proven that.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Thanks for painting yourself right into the anarchist's corner. No matter how much you'd like to have it your way, rest assured that the US legal system is not Burger King. Here's a couple of tips for you to help you avoid finding yourself in the same mess as Michael Brown:

1. Follow the officer's difection when asked to get oversized butt out of the middle of the road

2. Unless specifically invited, do not enter a police officer's vehicle.

3. Do not attempt to remove a police officers gun from their holster to see if it has ketchup and mustard stains on it.

4. After you punch a police officer and run away, the better choice is to keep running away. Do not turn around and bum rush him.

Note, these tips are guidelines, and will help keep you alive if you follow them. That does not preclude you from shooting your big mouth off about how you think cops are killing blacks in the street for no reason whatsoever.

Sorry, but I'm not a felon. Nor do I jay walk or have tried to assault a police officer. I conduct myself as a gentleman at all times. The times I've gone up against the police I'm always compliant, yet I've almost been killed by one for no reason. I lived in those environments where young black men are harassed for standing in the mall minding their own business. I've been stopped and harassed about drugs and gang relations when I'm so far removed from it, I had to stifle my contempt. So keep your tips for someone who needs it.

And that last comment? One, I lived the life you seem to love talking about. I've been there, so I can talk about it. Get over it. Two, when you drop the racist subtext, then come see me and we can talk about it.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

I wonder if she would still have that opinion if her house or business was burnt to the ground.

Pretty sad there's a whole segment of society that thinks it's perfectly fine to burn other people's property because a violent criminal was shot dead in self defense, just because of the race of the violent criminal. How racist!!

It's becoming clearer to me everyday that some in the black community in this country don't want equality, they want special treatment. And there's a bunch of uneducated dimwits more than willing to help out. Wont be seeing anything close to racial harmony in this country for a long time to come. The events of the last couple months have proven that.

Sadly, it is not possible to discuss topics like this with people who think like her. We have a couple of people who post in this forum whose thinking processes are equal to, and even surpassed her level of nonsense.

Edited December 7, 2014 by ExExpat

[Rob L 3,811]

Just waking up on the left coast. I haven't read all of the threads, but I am wondering what Mr. Cosby has to do with the posted topic. If I might attempt to re hijack my thread, my reason for posting the article is to not focus on young black men's behavior, but to look at how effectively departments are screening their applicants and what are they doing to protect their citizens and pocketbooks from the risks posed by hiring poorly trained or mentally unsuitable officers.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Just waking up on the left coast. I haven't read all of the threads, but I am wondering what Mr. Cosby has to do with the posted topic. If I might attempt to re hijack my thread, my reason for posting the article is to not focus on young black men's behavior, but to look at how effectively departments are screening their applicants and what are they doing to protect their citizens and pocketbooks from the risks posed by hiring poorly trained or mentally unsuitable officers.

Sorry Rob. These topics get easily derailed. Anyway, back to your topic.

Do you know whether officer Panteleo (spelling?) was prosecuted and convicted by the district attorney, or were these allegations posited and dealt with on a civil basis? That's an important distinction, as our police officers put themselves in the line of fire every single day in the face of criminals who want nothing more than to get away with any crime they have committed.

[Rob L 3,811]

Sorry Rob. These topics get easily derailed. Anyway, back to your topic.

Do you know whether officer Panteleo (spelling?) was prosecuted and convicted by the district attorney, or were these allegations posited and dealt with on a civil basis? That's an important distinction, as our police officers put themselves in the line of fire every single day in the face of criminals who want nothing more than to get away with any crime they have committed.

Re: the Garner Case, I only know the facts laid out in the article. Certainly there are red flags in many of police officers who find themselves in trouble. Whether it is poor training on chokeholds, or use of excessive force there is an element of training and appropriate officer perspective that need to be taken into account when putting these folks in the field.t What I think the broader question is: are these individual departments large and small doing a good job in selecting the right candidates? Many of the folks who so passionately want to become police officers either lack the training or personal perspective to make them good candidates.

These men and women are in the field making snap judgments to protect the public and themselves. We owe it to the public and to the other police officers in the field to have the best candidates in the field.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Re: the Garner Case, I only know the facts laid out in the article. Certainly there are red flags in many of police officers who find themselves in trouble. Whether it is poor training on chokeholds, or use of excessive force there is an element of training and appropriate officer perspective that need to be taken into account when putting these folks in the field.t What I think the broader question is: are these individual departments large and small doing a good job in selecting the right candidates? Many of the folks who so passionately want to become police officers either lack the training or personal perspective to make them good candidates.

These men and women are in the field making snap judgments to protect the public and themselves. We owe it to the public and to the other police officers in the field to have the best candidates in the field.

In New York last year the NYPD made over 200,000 misdemeanor arrests. Of those 200,000 arrests Eric Garner was taken into custody and survived. Given the huge numbers of arrests versus this one single event, what is most amazing is watching the NYPD and law enforcement in general be ostracized and lambasted with malicious allegations. A general mistrust of law enforcement is one thing, but allegations of criminal liability are another. In my view, our police do an amazing job of showing overwhelming patience and tolerance to the public. Every year however some of these police face administrative and legal action for a variety of alleged and proven misbehaviors.

Most of the American public in general agree that our police forces have become militarized and too heavy handed. This has happened under the watchful eyes of our elected officials. For that reason, these elected officials are masters of deflection and cause perpetuating. For example, people watch the Eric Garner video, and are automatically upset by what appears to be murder in the streets by strong arm police tactics. Does that mean that all of our police need retraining? That's politics that makes no sense.

Considering the low pay and stringent background requirements to become a policeman in the US, it's amazing that they have even a single applicant. Add to that in today's fast paced world that a policeman can be murdered not only by a citizen, but by the news media.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/crime_and_enforcement_activity_jan_to_jun_2013.pdf

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Just waking up on the left coast. I haven't read all of the threads, but I am wondering what Mr. Cosby has to do with the posted topic. If I might attempt to re hijack my thread, my reason for posting the article is to not focus on young black men's behavior, but to look at how effectively departments are screening their applicants and what are they doing to protect their citizens and pocketbooks from the risks posed by hiring poorly trained or mentally unsuitable officers.

You are asking for some of these VJers to be logic. This may not happen. Ask the mods to remove their comments.

[Rob L 3,811]

In New Yorkpo last year the NYPD made over 200,000 misdemeanor arrests. Of those 200,000 arrests Eric Garner was taken into custody and survived. Given the huge numbers of arrests versus this one single event, what is most amazing is watching the NYPD and law enforcement in general be ostracized and lambasted with malicious allegations. A general mistrust of law enforcement is one thing, but allegations of criminal liability are another. In my view, our police do an amazing job of showing overwhelming patience and tolerance to the public. Every year however some of these police face administrative and legal action for a variety of alleged and proven misbehaviors.

Most of the American public in general agree that our police forces have become militarized and too heavy handed. This has happened under the watchful eyes of our elected officials. For that reason, these elected officials are masters of deflection and cause perpetuating. For example, people watch the Eric Garner video, and are automatically upset by what appears to be murder in the streets by strong arm police tactics. Does that mean that all of our police need retraining? That's politics that makes no sense.

Considering the low pay and stringent background requirements to become a policeman in the US, it's amazing that they have even a single applicant. Add to that in today's fast paced world that a policeman can be murdered not only by a citizen, but by the news media.

Police officers, Firemen, Teachers face tough working conditions , relatively low pay and a lack of respect to match the services they offer us. That does not mean that the wrong person should be put in the job or that they do not deserve our ongoing support and training. The wrong person in the wrong job in the wrong circumstances is what public officials need to be accountable to avoid. In that part I think you would agree with the protestors.

The officer who applied the "restraint" to Eric Garner applied it poorly and killed a young man. Chokeholds are not an accepted modern police practice and somehow his restraint went wrong. We need to find out what went wrong and fix it.

1/1,000 1/200,000, 1/10,000,000. The unnecessary death of a young man must be examined and corrections need to be made. If some officers have issues with sorting out the technical aspects of policing or race relations, they may need to find other lines of work.

I don't know of any case of a police officer suffering loss of life at the hands of the press. You are speaking metaphorically of course.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Rob L

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Police officers, Firemen, Teachers face tough working conditions , relatively low pay and a lack of respect to match the services they offer us. That does not mean that the wrong person should be put in the job or that they do not deserve our ongoing support and training. The wrong person in the wrong job in the wrong circumstances is what public officials need to be accountable to avoid. In that part I think you would agree with the protestors.

The officer who applied the "restraint" to Eric Garner applied it poorly and killed a young man. Chokeholds are not an accepted modern police practice and somehow his restraint went wrong. We need to find out what went wrong and fix it.

1/1,000 1/200,000, 1/10,000,000. The unnecessary death of a young man must be examined and corrections need to be made. If some officers have issues with sorting out the technical aspects of policing or race relations, they may need to find other lines of work.

I don't know of any case of a police officer suffering loss of life at the hands of the press. You are speaking metaphorically of course.

I have a general idea what you mean by the "wrong person" which I assume you mean the right person will never, ever do something that is illegal while on or off duty. Or, are you limiting your criterion to a police behavior causes harm to a citizen during a police encounter, in which charges are brought by the DA against the officer, and subsequently the officer is found guilty. Of course, an allegation or a charge do NOT mean conviction. It's America after all, where we are supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty.

We as citizens of the United States must have trust in our elected officials. Adding more and more regulations will serve only to cause more bureaucracy, because for every new regulation, you need more staff to enforce it.

Our police must pass very stringent background investigations. After that, they must endure internal investigations whenever a bogus or legit allegation is made against them from a citizen, or fellow officer. This is part of the weeding out process. If a bad guy gets into the force, their behaviors are witnessed by citizens and fellow officers.

I don't believe our police forces are so corrupt that any and all bad behaviors are covered up. It's well documented that our police and their unions protect them, sometimes in the name of justice. But, we have lots of checks and balances. The citizen's word against the officers usually always goes in favor of the police. Audio and video records can level that playing field. Watching to make sure our police avoid heavy handed take downs unless absolutely necessary can help everyone, without endangering citizens or police.

As for the press murdering anyone, including police, it is of course a metaphor, but it is real and does not require an honest allegation. Irresponsible reporting can kill a police officer; as in the New York Times publishing officer Darren Wilson's address. In his case, no probable cause was found to prosecute him, but his career was murdered by race baiters and press.

Edited December 7, 2014 by ExExpat

[Operator 1,927]

taped their testicles???? are they that small?

You are asking for some of these VJers to be logic. This may not happen. Ask the mods to remove their comments.

Seems it went off topic on post #2. Where was the logic there?