No Indictment for New York Police

[Eric-Pris 1,606]

he had in fact been arrested in the past and should have known to immediately drop on all fours upon being spoken to by a person in uniform.

Exactly. He would still be alive if he had not resisted.

[decocker 7,198]

At first, my reaction was "How can they not indict him after seeing that video?"

But the more I thought about it, I don't know what other options they had. When a police officer tells you to put your hands behind your back, you do it, no questions asked. If you think you are being arrested illegally, you can argue that point later, but not while they are trying to handcuff you.

NYPD (and all other major city PD's) procedure calls for the cop to go hands on once the subject is informed that he is being arrested and refuses to comply with an order to put his hands behind his back or exhibits any kind of aggressive or offensive motion. By "Hands on", I mean he is taken to the ground as quickly as possible and lays flat on his stomach. The cop has a lot more control/leverage over a subject when he is laying flat on the ground versus on his feet. For this reason he was taken down to the ground, or at least they tried to, and the fact that he was huge left the cops no choice but to take him down by his neck. Good luck taking a guy his size down to the ground any other way. If it was only 1 cop instead of the whole group, he would have gotten shot.

If the cops used a taser, that probably would've worked, but very few cops have them. The big guys are less resistant to them sometimes.

It doesn't matter what he was being arrested for, he resisted and became combative. He didn't deserve to die, but he brought it on himself. If he turned around and surrendered to the cops, it would be over and he'd be alive today. Let me know if you disagree with this.

i disagree.

Exactly. He would still be alive if he had not resisted.

no. you don't know that. they did absolutely nothing to help him when he was cuffed and unconscious on the sidewalk.

[decocker 7,198]

Here ya go hon:

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php#

http://www.bcaplan.com/cgi-bin/purity.cgi

first one:

LEFT (LIBERAL)

Liberals usually embrace freedom of choice in personal matters, but tend to support significant government control of the economy. They generally support a government-funded "safety net" to help the disadvantaged, and advocate strict regulation of business. Liberals tend to favor environmental regulations, defend civil liberties and free expression, support government action to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyles.

and the second one (which was freaking FUNNY btw) 51-90 points: You are a medium-core libertarian, probably self-consciously so. Your friends probably encourage you to quit talking about your views so much.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

At first, my reaction was "How can they not indict him after seeing that video?"

But the more I thought about it, I don't know what other options they had. When a police officer tells you to put your hands behind your back, you do it, no questions asked. If you think you are being arrested illegally, you can argue that point later, but not while they are trying to handcuff you.

NYPD (and all other major city PD's) procedure calls for the cop to go hands on once the subject is informed that he is being arrested and refuses to comply with an order to put his hands behind his back or exhibits any kind of aggressive or offensive motion. By "Hands on", I mean he is taken to the ground as quickly as possible and lays flat on his stomach. The cop has a lot more control/leverage over a subject when he is laying flat on the ground versus on his feet. For this reason he was taken down to the ground, or at least they tried to, and the fact that he was huge left the cops no choice but to take him down by his neck. Good luck taking a guy his size down to the ground any other way. If it was only 1 cop instead of the whole group, he would have gotten shot.

If the cops used a taser, that probably would've worked, but very few cops have them. The big guys are less resistant to them sometimes.

It doesn't matter what he was being arrested for, he resisted and became combative. He didn't deserve to die, but he brought it on himself. If he turned around and surrendered to the cops, it would be over and he'd be alive today. Let me know if you disagree with this.

Was he under arrest?

[LibCampFireClub 635]

first one:

LEFT (LIBERAL)

Liberals usually embrace freedom of choice in personal matters, but tend to support significant government control of the economy. They generally support a government-funded "safety net" to help the disadvantaged, and advocate strict regulation of business. Liberals tend to favor environmental regulations, defend civil liberties and free expression, support government action to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyles.

and the second one (which was freaking FUNNY btw) 51-90 points: You are a medium-core libertarian, probably self-consciously so. Your friends probably encourage you to quit talking about your views so much.

Not surprised for you. Here's mine:

Note: that second link is bogus. Don't use it

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Exactly. He would still be alive if he had not resisted.

At what point during the video did they say you're under arrest?

[SMOKE 1,426]

At what point during the video did they say you're under arrest?

couldn't tell you. but, generally speaking. police usually don't surround you & tell you put your hand behind your back if they just want to cuddle.

[Eric-Pris 1,606]

i disagree.

You are saying that only to start an argument. Some people just want to argue, especially about race. If he peacefully surrendered and didn't run his mouth and be combative, they wouldn't have needed to chokehold him. And no doubt that he'd be alive today.

At what point during the video did they say you're under arrest?

There's a lot that you don't hear on the video. Whether he was or wasn't officially under arrest is irrelevant. The fact remains that he disobeyed a direct order from a police officer and needed to be taken down. He shouldn't have resisted. The genius actually thought he would outmuscle 12 cops....

Edited December 4, 2014 by Eric-Pris

[LibCampFireClub 635]

At what point during the video did they say you're under arrest?

Your buddy who filmed the second of two videos of the event was arrested on gun charges.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/03/ramsey-orta-arrested-eric-garner-video_n_5646276.html

Well hell. You knew they weren't putzing around in the riviera now didn't you? So now, are you parsing the video and find that there is no evidence whatsoever that the black dude was under arrest? Just a nice guy on the street, who was approached by white police for no reason. Damn, those white people. Damn them!

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

couldn't tell you. but, generally speaking. police usually don't surround you & tell you put your hand behind your back if they just want to cuddle.

At no time did I hear, you're under arrest. And for what charge were they arresting him for?

You are saying that only to start an argument. Some people just want to argue, especially about race. If he peacefully surrendered and didn't run his mouth and be combative, they wouldn't have needed to chokehold him. And no doubt that he'd be alive today.

There's a lot that you don't hear on the video. Whether he was or wasn't officially under arrest is irrelevant. The fact remains that he disobeyed a direct order from a police officer and needed to be taken down. He shouldn't have resisted. The genius actually thought he would outmuscle 12 cops....

Is that even legal? If no laws were broken, if he wasn't doing anything wrong, they have no right to just arrest you. Sorry, it doesn't work like that.

Your buddy who filmed the second of two videos of the event was arrested on gun charges.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/03/ramsey-orta-arrested-eric-garner-video_n_5646276.html

Well hell. You knew they weren't putzing around in the riviera now didn't you? So now, are you parsing the video and find that there is no evidence whatsoever that the black dude was under arrest? Just a nice guy on the street, who was approached by white police for no reason. Damn, those white people. Damn them!

And what does that have to do with anything? Please explain.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

At no time did I hear, you're under arrest. And for what charge were they arresting him for?

Is that even legal? If no laws were broken, if he wasn't doing anything wrong, they have no right to just arrest you. Sorry, it doesn't work like that.

And what does that have to do with anything? Please explain.

Marv, you've exhausted your race card. I know that's tough news for you as you've relied on it for every breath. Now that your race card is gone, everyone reverts to common sense, which you appear devoid.

[SMOKE 1,426]

At no time did I hear, you're under arrest. And for what charge were they arresting him for?

I've been arrest a time or more. I've never been told I was under arrest until I was cuffed. ever. I've been told to stop resisting, gimme your arm, stop biting you !@#$%^&*%$#@, etc. but, never 'you're under arrest' until I was cuffed.

eta: then you're given the Miranda rights.

Edited December 4, 2014 by SMOKE

[decocker 7,198]

You are saying that only to start an argument. Some people just want to argue, especially about race. If he peacefully surrendered and didn't run his mouth and be combative, they wouldn't have needed to chokehold him. And no doubt that he'd be alive today.

thank you for telling my why i have my opinion. but hey - pro tip. don't openly ask if people agree with you or not if you can't tolerate the response. carry on, miss cleo. unfair advantage you have with that crystal ball.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Liberal governor Cuomo's legislation led to Eric Garner's death. This is what happens when a government gone wild tries to regulate everything from dogs, to speech, to nose picking:

State launching task force to stop cigarette smuggling, tax evasion

ALBANY — Gov. Cuomo is out to kick cigarette smugglers in the butt.

In an effort to crack down on the sale of illegal smokes in New York, Cuomo is set to announce Monday a 13-agency task force dedicated to keeping illegal cigarettes out of the state.

“This new law-enforcement strategy will help to crack down on these illegal cigarette sales and capture those smugglers who seek to evade the law and rob the state of the revenue it is rightly owed,” Cuomo said.

A recent study by the Tax Foundation revealed that almost 57 percent of cigarettes smoked in New York were bought into the state illegally, the highest of any state. That was a 20 percent increase from the previous study, conducted in 2006.

New York state has the highest cigarette-tax rate in the country, making trafficking a profitable and attractive enterprise.

http://nypost.com/2014/03/31/state-launching-task-force-to-stop-cigarette-smuggling-tax-evasion/

Edited December 4, 2014 by ExExpat

[decocker 7,198]

isn't a pack like 20 bucks in ny?