No Indictment for New York Police

[decocker 7,198]

i'm just glad i dodged the meryl streep bullet. poor penny

[LibCampFireClub 635]

There is a long history of problems in this neighborhood that provides at least some explanation for what happened:

Between March 2013 and June 2014, there were at least 11 recorded gripes from local residents about the bad-news block.

The landlord said the number would be much higher if not for fear of reprisals from the menacing street people.

“They have that ‘snitches end up in ditches’ policy, so a lot of people don’t say anything,” he said.

The first of the recent complaints came at a community council meeting where a man identified as Joe complained about dealers selling marijuana in the hallways of his Bay St. building.

Edited December 4, 2014 by ExExpat

[aaydrian 479]

What was the official reason for his arrest? I missed that.

Asked you that last night but it's obvious now you did not know. I was a bit confused myself because so far not one report has said that he was in fact selling anything. So at this point Eric Garner died because of suspected sale of individual cigarettes.

[decocker 7,198]

Asked you that last night but it's obvious now you did not know. I was a bit confused myself because so far not one report has said that he was in fact selling anything. So at this point Eric Garner died because of suspected sale of individual cigarettes.

you forgot the part where he deserved to die because he had in fact been arrested in the past and should have known to immediately drop on all fours upon being spoken to by a person in uniform.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

you forgot the part where he deserved to die because he had in fact been arrested in the past and should have known to immediately drop on all fours upon being spoken to by a person in uniform.

Come on Val. No one even came close to implying that Eric Garner deserved to die because he was a known criminal. That's just not the case. The NYPD contends that a choke hold was not used during the take down. They call it a seatbelt maneuver and also contend that 'you can't speak if you cannot breathe.'

If this event inspires American law enforcement to get out of full military mode then that will be a good thing. There have been far too many home invasions and loss of life at the hands of wild eyed policeman. However, this change has a huge chance of backfiring because from the police officer's perspective they are more likely to just ignore crime in neighborhoods with high rates of violence. Even with good intentions, a police officer stands the chance of losing his life from excessive tolerance, or losing his career after a complaint.

Edited December 4, 2014 by ExExpat

[decocker 7,198]

Come on Val. No one even came close to implying that Eric Garner deserved to die because he was a known criminal. That's just not the case. The NYPD contends that a choke hold was not used during the take down. They call it a clothesline maneuver and also contend that 'you can't speak if you cannot breathe.'

If this event inspires American law enforcement to get out of full military mode then that will be a good thing. There have been far too many home invasions and loss of life at the hands of wild eyed policeman. However, this change has a huge chance of backfiring because from the police officer's perspective they are more likely to just ignore crime in neighborhoods with high rates of violence. Even with good intentions, a police officer stands the chance of losing his life from excessive tolerance, or losing his career after a complaint.

it has been implied that his record gives justification. and all of nypd's blown smoke aside, nothing changes the fact that they all stood and did nothing to help him. and 'you can't speak if you can't breathe' is utter nonsense. someone suffering from asthma might feel their chest begin to tighten and know 'they can't breathe' but obviously a trickle of air is still getting through. but that's beside the point. do you ever expect cops to man up and take responsibility for anything? no. they stand by their own.

police are not supposed to pick and choose what crime or neighborhoods don't fit their fancy. that's like saying teachers get to ignore the kids they don't want to deal with.

[Teddy B 17,252]

it has been implied that his record gives justification.

I would be willing to bet that with over 30 prior arrests under his belt, the cops were well aware of who Garner was and his antics when approached by police and that alone escalated the situation right off the bat. I'm not saying any of what the cops did is justified, I think they were completely wrong in how they handled it. But Garner's past definitely played a role in how the cops acted.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

"It sounds like he has a history."

His history is f*cking irrelevant. Who cares what his history was? What matters is what he was doing at the time of his death and we know what he was doing because we WATCHED it. What is this need that some of you have to drag someone through the mud when they're dead in order to somehow justify his death? I don't care how many times he was arrested. He wasn't being hostile, he wasn't being violent. He was unarmed with his hands up. Isn't that what we keep hearing Mike Brown should have done? Put his hands up and show he didn't have a weapon. Eric Garner did this and STILL DIED.

I mean, good lord, a guy can walk into a movie theater and shoot up the place and be taken into custody alive and unharmed, but an unarmed guy on the street with his hands up is choked to death and there are people debating his criminal history. He was begging for his life, telling them he couldn't breathe, and nobody did a damn thing about it. But yes, let's definitely talk about his prior arrests. That absolutely matters in the last few minutes of his life when he's doing nothing wrong.

Sick.

I mean, I stayed away from most of the Ferguson nonsense because at least there was conflicting witness accounts of what happened there. But in this case, that doesn't exist. We saw exactly what happened and how it happened. Anyone who can watch that video and think "hm well he had prior arrests and he's big, so I understand how a cop could have KILLED HIM IN A CHOKEHOLD" is insane.

Ahh. a insanely emotional , short on facts and basic understanding, profanity laced Caba tirade. I do enjoy these from time to time. It's been far too long. . Only part I like better is the sure to come +1s. From the desperate camp followers. Great post.

[decocker 7,198]

I would be willing to bet that with over 30 prior arrests under his belt, the cops were well aware of who Garner was and his antics when approached by police and that alone escalated the situation right off the bat. I'm not saying any of what the cops did is justified, I think they were completely wrong in how they handled it. But Garner's past definitely played a role in how the cops acted.

well yeah, the cop that knew him, saw him directly after he had broken up a fight and asked him if he was selling. garner said no. that wasn't good enough. i guess you're going to argue that cops should be allowed to harrass people based on prior interactions. because that certainly won't help police relations with any community.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I would be willing to bet that with over 30 prior arrests under his belt, the cops were well aware of who Garner was and his antics when approached by police and that alone escalated the situation right off the bat. I'm not saying any of what the cops did is justified, I think they were completely wrong in how they handled it. But Garner's past definitely played a role in how the cops acted.

If the cop knew right away the guy had 30 prior arrests that is a little stalker-ish. I don't the police officer knew his whole rap sheet at the time. And again, this is a police officer with prior problems himself. Is it safe to say we knew the police officer would kill Garner because the officer had 2 prior offenses while on the job?

[decocker 7,198]

Ahh. a insanely emotional , short on facts and basic understanding, profanity laced Caba tirade. I do enjoy these from time to time. It's been far too long. . Only part I like better is the sure to come +1s. From the desperate camp followers. Great post.

why don't you decide which side you're on there cowboy. or did someone just now tell you..

Edited December 4, 2014 by val erie

[LibCampFireClub 635]

it has been implied that his record gives justification. and all of nypd's blown smoke aside,

Implied by who?

nothing changes the fact that they all stood and did nothing to help him. and 'you can't speak if you can't breathe' is utter nonsense.

Agree. Nothing will change that. But worse, nothing will change the fact that each and every officer did nothing as Eric cried out 11-times: "I can't breathe"

someone suffering from asthma might feel their chest begin to tighten and know 'they can't breathe' but obviously a trickle of air is still getting through.

Agree.

but that's beside the point. do you ever expect cops to man up and take responsibility for anything? no. they stand by their own.

There is a deep rooted brotherhood of American police, that covers and protects their own. It's called: Corruption.

police are not supposed to pick and choose what crime or neighborhoods don't fit their fancy. that's like saying teachers get to ignore the kids they don't want to deal with.

It may be better said that the public has a reasonable expectation that a police officer will protect their rights as afforded them in law. However, anyone who has experience with the police knows that far too often people are treated as if they are guilty until they are proven innocent.

[Teddy B 17,252]

well yeah, the cop that knew him, saw him directly after he had broken up a fight and asked him if he was selling. garner said no. that wasn't good enough. i guess you're going to argue that cops should be allowed to harrass people based on prior interactions. because that certainly won't help police relations with any community.

Nope, not at all. But it certainly happens. We all make assumptions and judgements on people we have track records with, but that shouldn't change police procedure.

If the cop knew right away the guy had 30 prior arrests that is a little stalker-ish. I don't the police officer knew his whole rap sheet at the time. And again, this is a police officer with prior problems himself. Is it safe to say we knew the police officer would kill Garner because the officer had 2 prior offenses while on the job?

why don't you decide which side you're on there cowboy. or did someone just now tell you..

His handlers sent him in for a lil recon.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Nope, not at all. But it certainly happens. We all make assumptions and judgements on people we have track records with, but that shouldn't change police procedure.

His handlers sent him in for a lil recon.

Glad to see you realized you are alone with this one buddy.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Glad to see you realized you are alone with this one buddy.