Hypothetically Speaking

[jordanianprincess 0]

If they are actually working on a payroll ,they are referred to as illegal aliens. I used to work in HR for a large company that had alot of illegals working there. Once it was discovered, we had to let them all go.

That's what's probably about to happen here, as a result of my little investigation that I did a couple weeks ago. I'm not in HR though, just a semi-bored accounting person who needed something to do. I have handed over my list of those who have ITINs and SSNs that didn't work with the IRS so we'll see what happens to them. Only difference is ours are independent contractors instead of employees.

I was actually hired into the company before they made a big transition. They were aquired so I had to lay off everyone and hire them into the new company. So as I was going over their I-9's I noticed a number seemed very familiar. 23 employees had the same green card number. We had to let them all go, it was a very emotional day.

[Traviesa 0]

If they are actually working on a payroll ,they are referred to as illegal aliens. I used to work in HR for a large company that had alot of illegals working there. Once it was discovered, we had to let them all go.

That's what's probably about to happen here, as a result of my little investigation that I did a couple weeks ago. I'm not in HR though, just a semi-bored accounting person who needed something to do. I have handed over my list of those who have ITINs and SSNs that didn't work with the IRS so we'll see what happens to them. Only difference is ours are independent contractors instead of employees.

I was actually hired into the company before they made a big transition. They were aquired so I had to lay off everyone and hire them into the new company. So as I was going over their I-9's I noticed a number seemed very familiar. 23 employees had the same green card number. We had to let them all go, it was a very emotional day.

Wow omg...the way I found out a lot of these was that the SS card instead of the circle saying Social Security Administration, said Department of Health & Human Services. Lots of them were like that. Then some of the people turned around and produced ITINs which got us partially through 1099 land but is not necessarily enough to maintain their status with us.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I'd be angry that the illegals keep the wages low and pay less taxes than you.

I just took on a second job as a server for a big chain restaurant. All of the kitchen crew is hispanic along with the bussers, while maybe two of the servers are of hispanic descent but look and sound like they were born and raised here. Regardless of what one thinks about illegal immigration, the restaurant industry alone would come to a screeching halt without a steady flow of undocumented workers. I'm not going to get into a drawn out argument over whether it's right or wrong - that point seem moot by now. The fact is they are here, have been here and will continue to be here...and we've all benefitted from it in one way or another.

Id like to say im in no way wanting to start an arguement and i do feel anyone in this world has the right to a better life. Just wanting to cover myself on the off chance someone blows the whistle on things mentioned in this subject.

Tom

As somebody said earlier, unless you are involved in the hiring of illegals and are doing so deliberately, I don't think you should worry.

When I was hired by the restaurant, I was required by Federal Law to provide 2 forms of valid ID. My guess is all workers have to provide the same kind of documentation so it would be difficult to say who are legitimate and who used forged documents.

Then why call them undocumented workers? Sounds like they have plenty of counterfeit and stolen documents. That is why the government correctly refers to them as "illegal aliens" instead of the misleading PC terms "undocumented workers" or the even more misleading "immigrants".

Well, those who are hired without being asked for documented proof of citizenships are undocumented workers. It's difficult to right off the bat know whether someone is providing you with legal documentation or not, if it is forged. I suspect the restaurant industry, as an example, knows there is a high degree of document forgery, but is either unwilling or unable to enforce Federal Law when they are trying to find reliable workers. If they simply stopped hiring everyone with a heavy spanish accent, then that would be discrimination.

[brtlmj 0]

They used to be able to obtain a CA driver's license with those but now some states check the social before issueing the license and Caifornia is one of those.

I was told at the DMV that they would check my status with INS (yes, the guy actually said "INS") before they send me my license. Until then I will have to be happy with a temporary one.

Bartek

[jordanianprincess 0]

They used to be able to obtain a CA driver's license with those but now some states check the social before issueing the license and Caifornia is one of those.

I was told at the DMV that they would check my status with INS (yes, the guy actually said "INS") before they send me my license. Until then I will have to be happy with a temporary one.

Bartek

Right, California is tough now. Oregan is much easier. Alot of illegals go there to get a license.

[brtlmj 0]

Right, California is tough now. Oregan is much easier. Alot of illegals go there to get a license.

I am under the impression that any laws designed against illegals hardly affect them (in this case - they just drive unlicensed and uninsured), but make life difficult for us instead...

Bartek

[jordanianprincess 0]

Right, California is tough now. Oregan is much easier. Alot of illegals go there to get a license.

I am under the impression that any laws designed against illegals hardly affect them (in this case - they just drive unlicensed and uninsured), but make life difficult for us instead...

Bartek

Well many of them do drive unlicensed/uninsured but there are many that need the license for their jobs. That's why they go to Oregan and I think you just get it right there on the spot.

[lucyrich 20]

I just took on a second job as a server for a big chain restaurant. All of the kitchen crew is hispanic along with the bussers, while maybe two of the servers are of hispanic descent but look and sound like they were born and raised here. Regardless of what one thinks about illegal immigration, the restaurant industry alone would come to a screeching halt without a steady flow of undocumented workers. I'm not going to get into a drawn out argument over whether it's right or wrong - that point seem moot by now. The fact is they are here, have been here and will continue to be here...and we've all benefitted from it in one way or another.

Is the subject Hispanic workers or illegal aliens? While there is overlap between the groups, there are plenty of Hispanics who are not illegal, and illegals who are not Hispanic. Then there are plenty of illegals, both of hispanic and non-hispanic origin, who have been here since very early childhood and speak English perfectly. You REALLY can't judge a person's immigration status based on their accent.

[Ban Hammer 13,465]

I'd be angry that the illegals keep the wages low and pay less taxes than you.

I just took on a second job as a server for a big chain restaurant. All of the kitchen crew is hispanic along with the bussers, while maybe two of the servers are of hispanic descent but look and sound like they were born and raised here. Regardless of what one thinks about illegal immigration, the restaurant industry alone would come to a screeching halt without a steady flow of undocumented workers. I'm not going to get into a drawn out argument over whether it's right or wrong - that point seem moot by now. The fact is they are here, have been here and will continue to be here...and we've all benefitted from it in one way or another.

steven, say loudly and frequently that you need ICE.........for the water

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I just took on a second job as a server for a big chain restaurant. All of the kitchen crew is hispanic along with the bussers, while maybe two of the servers are of hispanic descent but look and sound like they were born and raised here. Regardless of what one thinks about illegal immigration, the restaurant industry alone would come to a screeching halt without a steady flow of undocumented workers. I'm not going to get into a drawn out argument over whether it's right or wrong - that point seem moot by now. The fact is they are here, have been here and will continue to be here...and we've all benefitted from it in one way or another.

Is the subject Hispanic workers or illegal aliens? While there is overlap between the groups, there are plenty of Hispanics who are not illegal, and illegals who are not Hispanic. Then there are plenty of illegals, both of hispanic and non-hispanic origin, who have been here since very early childhood and speak English perfectly. You REALLY can't judge a person's immigration status based on their accent.

Yes, which is why it makes it difficult to really curtail illegal immigration once somebody is here.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I'd be angry that the illegals keep the wages low and pay less taxes than you.

I just took on a second job as a server for a big chain restaurant. All of the kitchen crew is hispanic along with the bussers, while maybe two of the servers are of hispanic descent but look and sound like they were born and raised here. Regardless of what one thinks about illegal immigration, the restaurant industry alone would come to a screeching halt without a steady flow of undocumented workers. I'm not going to get into a drawn out argument over whether it's right or wrong - that point seem moot by now. The fact is they are here, have been here and will continue to be here...and we've all benefitted from it in one way or another.

steven, say loudly and frequently that you need ICE.........for the water

The last time I worked in restaurant was over a decade ago and one day the INS van came to the establishment and our entire kitchen crew was gone. The managers frantically tried to keep the restaurant afloat by cooking and washing the dishes. Made me wonder why they'd go through all that trouble when they could hire be people that they know are legal - but that's just it. How are they to know beyond just a hunch if the applicants provide them with legal documentation (albeit forged)?

[mentaleruptions 0]

I wasn't expecting such responses but i am curious. If one was to report this behavior how would one go about it ?

[Ban Hammer 13,465]

I'd be angry that the illegals keep the wages low and pay less taxes than you.

I just took on a second job as a server for a big chain restaurant. All of the kitchen crew is hispanic along with the bussers, while maybe two of the servers are of hispanic descent but look and sound like they were born and raised here. Regardless of what one thinks about illegal immigration, the restaurant industry alone would come to a screeching halt without a steady flow of undocumented workers. I'm not going to get into a drawn out argument over whether it's right or wrong - that point seem moot by now. The fact is they are here, have been here and will continue to be here...and we've all benefitted from it in one way or another.

steven, say loudly and frequently that you need ICE.........for the water

The last time I worked in restaurant was over a decade ago and one day the INS van came to the establishment and our entire kitchen crew was gone. The managers frantically tried to keep the restaurant afloat by cooking and washing the dishes. Made me wonder why they'd go through all that trouble when they could hire be people that they know are legal - but that's just it. How are they to know beyond just a hunch if the applicants provide them with legal documentation (albeit forged)?

perhaps a background investigation - i.e calling references - might cut that down. also asking for a detailed listed of their work history and former addresses. i'd suspect anyone illegal would disappear about then.......

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I wasn't expecting such responses but i am curious. If one was to report this behavior how would one go about it ?

What would you report? Unless you have clear evidence that a company is deliberately hiring illegal aliens, it would seem presumptuous to call them on mere suspicion. Secondly, from what I observed, those illegals who are caught are let go - we have no systematic deportation of illegals in this country unless they are convicted felons.

[mentaleruptions 0]

I wasn't expecting such responses but i am curious. If one was to report this behavior how would one go about it ?

What would you report? Unless you have clear evidence that a company is deliberately hiring illegal aliens, it would seem presumptuous to call them on mere suspicion. Secondly, from what I observed, those illegals who are caught are let go - we have no systematic deportation of illegals in this country unless they are convicted felons.

If one had such evidence and could easily prove it then who would one contact.

Tom