Giuliani and Dyson Argue Over Violence in Black Communities

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I think Giuliani's argument, (and I agree with it) is that the only reason this case is drawing the attention that it is, is because the cop was white, and the dead criminal was black. I believe he mentioned something along the lines, of "where's all the outrage for the victims of black on black crime?" He then threw out some stats about how the vast majority of crimes committed by black people are committed against other black people. Until these alleged leaders start addressing the real issues in the black community, instead of spending their TV time going on about this Ferguson thing (which they don't have all the facts) or the Sanford thing, maybe just maybe they should look at the real reasons why so many black folks are ending up dead. I can pretty much guarantee it aint because of white cops.

What does slavery that ended 150 years ago have to do with me? zero

What does Jim Crowe that happened decades ago have to do with me? zero

I can keep going if you like.

I did not respond to you nor did I want to engage your unwanted conversation in any way. I have no time to speak with closed minded people about real life events they are unable to grasp.

[aaydrian 479]

I did not respond to you nor did I want to engage your unwanted conversation in any way. I have no time to speak with closed minded people about real life events they are unable to grasp.

That was b%tch slap out of nowhere.

[decocker 7,198]

I think Giuliani's argument, (and I agree with it) is that the only reason this case is drawing the attention that it is, is because the cop was white, and the dead criminal was black. I believe he mentioned something along the lines, of "where's all the outrage for the victims of black on black crime?" He then threw out some stats about how the vast majority of crimes committed by black people are committed against other black people. Until these alleged leaders start addressing the real issues in the black community, instead of spending their TV time going on about this Ferguson thing (which they don't have all the facts) or the Sanford thing, maybe just maybe they should look at the real reasons why so many black folks are ending up dead. I can pretty much guarantee it aint because of white cops.

yes, i know what guiliani said and i know his argument. it's not new and it's basically the same argument i read here, over and over again.

the first post i made was in direct response to g's "where's all the outrage" quote and the stats he used. here's more..

"Blacks represent 13% of the population but commit 50% of the murders; 90% of black victims are murdered by other blacks," writes Time's Joe Klein, calling for "provocative" thinking on race in America. "The facts suggest that history is not enough to explain this social disaster."

there are many countries where white people murder each other at a much lower rate than you see here in the United States

Yet the disturbing truth, according to the FBI's most recent homicide statistics, is that the United States is in the wake of an epidemic of white-on-white crime. Back in 2011, the most recent year for which data is available, a staggering 83 percent of white murder victims were killed by fellow Caucasians.

This is not to say that white people are inherently prone to violence. Most whites, obviously, manage to get through life without murdering anyone. And there are many countries full of white people — Norway, Iceland, France, Denmark, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom — where white people murder each other at a much lower rate than you see here in the United States. On the other hand, although people often see criminal behavior as a symptom of poverty, the quantity of murder committed by white people specifically in the United States casts some doubt on this. Per capita GDP is considerably higher here than in France — and the white population in America is considerably richer than the national average — and yet we have more white murderers.

To understand the level of cultural pathology at work here, it's important to understand that 36 percent of those killed by whites are women — a far higher share than you see with black murderers.

Clearly, the social disaster of white violence has complicated roots. But the beginning of an answer is to admit that we have a problem. It's striking that President Obama, who's frequently found time to comment on the height of black men's waistlines, seems oblivious to this torrent of white killing. To be fair to the White House, however, it would be uniquely difficult for Obama to address this delicate issue. The real tragedy is that none of Obama's 43 white predecessors have addressed it either. Indeed, looking back on America's political iconography, there are disturbing trends toward the glorification of white violence. Peer inside the US Capitol building, and you'll find a monument to Confederate President Jefferson Davis — the leader of an insurgency that caused an unprecedented quantity of violent white deaths.

But whatever the causes or past mistakes, the important thing is to confront this important subject in the future. As we look ahead to a 2016 matchup that should give us two Euro-American major party nominees for the first time in a decade, perhaps America can finally get the debate about white violence it deserves.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/21/6053811/white-on-white-murder

[LibCampFireClub 635]

I think Giuliani's argument, (and I agree with it) is that the only reason this case is drawing the attention that it is, is because the cop was white, and the dead criminal was black. I believe he mentioned something along the lines, of "where's all the outrage for the victims of black on black crime?" He then threw out some stats about how the vast majority of crimes committed by black people are committed against other black people. Until these alleged leaders start addressing the real issues in the black community, instead of spending their TV time going on about this Ferguson thing (which they don't have all the facts) or the Sanford thing, maybe just maybe they should look at the real reasons why so many black folks are ending up dead. I can pretty much guarantee it aint because of white cops.

Giuliani reduced black on black murder in New York from over 1000 per year to around 200. How? He increased police presence in high crime areas. It's like a big fat duh factor. Today, he also stated that over 70% of all crime committed in New York is done by blacks. These are facts that cannot be disputed. That excludes passive agressive bleeding hearts who may actually believe that punishing and ascribing blame to blacks for the crimes to which they are found guilty might hurt their feelings.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

That was b%tch slap out of nowhere.

Nah. It was just a little nudge that said, "back up off me."

[Karee 4,191]

I did not respond to you nor did I want to engage your unwanted conversation in any way. I have no time to speak with closed minded people about real life events they are unable to grasp.

If you want to carry on a binary conversation, there's a private message function here on VJ. It doesn't matter whether you responded to me or not, I can still reply to your posts. That's how these message boards work.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

If you want to carry on a binary conversation, there's a private message function here on VJ. It doesn't matter whether you responded to me or not, I can still reply to your posts. That's how these message boards work.

I didn't want to have a private conversation about it.

You can reply to me if you want to. It doesn't change the fact your reply was unwanted.

[Karee 4,191]

I didn't want to have a private conversation about it.

You can reply to me if you want to. It doesn't change the fact your reply was unwanted.

I get lots of unwanted replies here. It's how message boards work. If you'd like I can just thumbs up all your posts.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I get lots of unwanted replies here. It's how message boards work. If you'd like I can just thumbs up all your posts.

How about you try to be a little bit more understanding and less negative towards all black people and we wouldn't have this problem.

It is too many educated black people in the U.S. to keep using this 70% crime rate excuse mess.

Then we can live happily ever VJ.