The Official Outrage Over Obama Immigration Reform thread

[Karee 4,190]

Aren't you the Republican's spokesperson? You are a super advocate for the Republicans yet you have no faith in them.

If you feel they are too stupid to notice the unfairness with this process why don't you enlighten them?

I'm not anyone's spokesperson nor super advocate. While I consider the Republicans the lesser of two evils, primarily because they are for smaller govt, I'd hardly consider myself a supporter. I could never get 100% behind a party who's primary purpose has become guns and god, rather than smaller govt. and lower taxes, which is what the republican party used to be about until it was hijacked by the religious nuts and the NRA.

As for this immigration fiasco, it would seem to me a golden opportunity for the republicans to point out the hypocrisy of giving people who broke the law benefits, while the people that followed the law jump through hoops and sometimes wait years. Seems like a no brainer to me.

[Karee 4,190]

People who have broken the law are being given a break while those who are following the law are not. There are families with children who are separated and are obeying the law, why not give them a break?

That's really the bottom line. If they addressed both legal and illegal immigration, it would make this de-facto amnesty a little easier to swallow. As it is, the emperor is offering this benefit to folks that are more likely to vote for his party in the future. And not just them, but the people that support amnesty.

The irony in all this, is that Obama's most ardent supporters (the black community) are the ones who will be harmed the most by this blatant political move.

Edited November 23, 2014 by Karee

[JohnR! 5,495]

Some feel cheated for doing the right thing, but as I pointed out before, they are no more cheated by this action than bu the countless numbers of aliens who enter the US on non-immigration visas and decide to change their minds and visa status once they are admitted. Just because they don't get caught, they feel they are morally above some of those who will be benefited by this action. For others, it's just another piece of good news but not for them' who have been waiting for some kind of good news themselves. I think it is all a matter of empathizing with them as well.

Ah, and of course, there is a third group, of individuals who just want to pull up the ladder once they made it on board the ship.

It's really unfortunate to see so many ill spirited comments. Why would anyone feel so resentful of others getting a little breathing space? It's a deferral for families with children and possibility to work. Why is the automatic reaction one of "them vs us" and assumption that another's good fortune will detrimentally and directly effect our own? Is it not refreshing to see something actually been done to address a system that isn't working but that no one Is taking action to fix? Before anyone tries to claim the intellectual spotlight on the ins and outs of how the immigration processes work, don't. I definitely don't, im the same boat (insert Mayflower joke here) as everyone else trying to navigate their way through this process. I witnessed similar animosity in regards to some expedited case, specifically of Philippino cases expedited due to the crisis there. This is not a personal attack on anyone, I just don't feel it's healthy, productive or serving attitude to adopt.

[Karee 4,190]

Some feel cheated for doing the right thing, but as I pointed out before, they are no more cheated by this action than bu the countless numbers of aliens who enter the US on non-immigration visas and decide to change their minds and visa status once they are admitted. Just because they don't get caught, they feel they are morally above some of those who will be benefited by this action. For others, it's just another piece of good news but not for them' who have been waiting for some kind of good news themselves. I think it is all a matter of empathizing with them as well.

Ah, and of course, there is a third group, of individuals who just want to pull up the ladder once they made it on board the ship.

IMO the loophole that allows adjustment of status from non-immigrant visas (except those that have immigrant intent like the K-1) should be closed. Want to immigrate to the U.S.? Go through the process like everyone at the embassy in your home country.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I agree. There should be no AOS stateside, except for those cases where AOS is expected such as K-1s for instance, provided one did get married within 90 days as stipulated by the conditions under which the visa was issued. Other than that, everyone else should have to come in with the right visa from the get go. I would also support that if you came in on a K-1 visa and didn't get married within 90 days, you should go back and start the process again either as a K-1, or if you got married beyond the 90 days, as a CR visa. No breaks to anyone. Let's make the same rules apply to everyone.

IMO the loophole that allows adjustment of status from non-immigrant visas (except those that have immigrant intent like the K-1) should be closed. Want to immigrate to the U.S.? Go through the process like everyone at the embassy in your home country.

[Transborderwife 4,666]

Out of curiosity what other countries have a fiancé visa?

[Karee 4,190]

Out of curiosity what other countries have a fiancé visa?

I don't know of any off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others. IMO there should be no K-1 visa. I'm sure I'll catch he!! for that, but it seems like it's a visa that is prone to fraud since you only have to meet the person once in the last two years.

Taking the legalities out of it, I'd say these folks that came illegally, and have immediate family here, have a more credible reason for being here than a K-1 beneficiary.

Let the flaming begin.

[Transborderwife 4,666]

No flaming here. I personally agree with you. Especially after recently seeing on this board people discussing it as a "try and see" visa.

[Karee 4,190]

No flaming here. I personally agree with you. Especially after recently seeing on this board people discussing it as a "try and see" visa.

Yeah that kind of thing has disaster written all over it in my personal opinion. It would seem really odd to me to have any person (in a relationship or not) move in with me that I've only met in person once or twice.

I guess there's the cost factor as well. Some could argue that it's much easier to get know someone from Canada or Mexico, than it is to get to know someone in Asia, due to flight costs, and time it takes to get there etc. Also, tourist visas are hard to come by from most countries in Asia. Those are valid complaints IMO, just not sure if that's enough justification to create an entire visa class.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Let the flaming begin.

Obama lover. MBD hacked your account.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

No breaks to anyone. Let's make the same rules apply to everyone.

Except illegals. Thanks Obama.

[Transborderwife 4,666]

Yeah that kind of thing has disaster written all over it in my personal opinion. It would seem really odd to me to have any person (in a relationship or not) move in with me that I've only met in person once or twice.

I guess there's the cost factor as well. Some could argue that it's much easier to get know someone from Canada or Mexico, than it is to get to know someone in Asia, due to flight costs, and time it takes to get there etc. Also, tourist visas are hard to come by from most countries in Asia. Those are valid complaints IMO, just not sure if that's enough justification to create an entire visa class.

The tourist visa thing needs to changed. From personal experience you tell them at POE (Canadian so this is my experience) you're visiting a bf/gf/f you get a big fat denial 7/10 times.

[Karee 4,190]

The tourist visa thing needs to changed. From personal experience you tell them at POE (Canadian so this is my experience) you're visiting a bf/gf/f you get a big fat denial 7/10 times.

Ohh it's the same with the tourist visa. Tell them you're coming to meet your fiance, and they can deny entry. It happens all the time. People have learned to "get creative" when responding to questions at POE when visiting their SO on a tourist visa.

They can deny entry on a tourist visa if they don't like the color of your shirt. Of course they can't use that as an official reason. A tourist visa only gives you an opportunity to enter the U.S. at POE. There's no guarantees. There's been plenty of folks here that didn't answer the POE questions the right way, and found themselves on a long flight back to wherever they came from.

[Transborderwife 4,666]

Yes fiancé as well completely understand that! When I came, my husband (boyfriend at the time)'s mother had passed away suddenly. When asked for purpose of visit I was careful to say that I was going for a funeral (true) got my stamp and was on my way. We have preclearance in Toronto so it's slightly better and worse as 1)don't have to waste travelling x many hours for a denial but 2)denied and any unused ticket is not refundable :/

[Karee 4,190]

Yes fiancé as well completely understand that! When I came, my husband (boyfriend at the time)'s mother had passed away suddenly. When asked for purpose of visit I was careful to say that I was going for a funeral (true) got my stamp and was on my way. We have preclearance in Toronto so it's slightly better and worse as 1)don't have to waste travelling x many hours for a denial but 2)denied and any unused ticket is not refundable :/

Yeah I used to live in Montreal and thought it was cool that you go through POE at Dorval. If they denied you, no big deal you just get in your car and go home. I worked with a few people that got turned away because CBP thought they were traveling to the U.S. to work without a visa. Even knew a few that got turned around at the land border crossing at Lacolle and had to drive back to Montreal. That was always good for me because I could take their place and spend a few days in the states.