58% wish the Bush presidency was simply over

[garya505 2]

So your saying because there is no specific country or government to fight that we should just ignore them? What kind of nonsense is this?

Your argument is a little like the boy who put his finger in the dike. Its like trying to count the grains of sand on a beach.

So your also saying that we should do nothing? #######? Do you really think that if we ignore them they will go away? Or we should just retract our country into it's shell and hide from the world? Or are you one of those that thinks we can negotiate (kiss a$$ ) with the radical fundamentalist Muslims?

Well, let's see. Going after them has only had the effect of intensifying and worsening the problem, so how can the opposite be any worse?

No it just brought them to the fight. Better there than here.

Again, it's arrogant nonsense of this sort that will ensure that the war on terrorism in general and the war on Iraq in particular is a failure. You can't make allies of a people if you keep explaining to them publicly time and again that their lives are worth less than ours. Which is all that nonsensical Rovian catch-phrase really does.

And again, repeating this empty phrase doesn't answer the question why we didn't take them on in Afghanistan where they were in the first place. Why Iraq? One of the few countries in the region that wasn't in bed with these radical elements.

I'm not interested in making allies of people who already hate us and want to kill us, I'd rather just kill them first. Our friends know who they are.

[yogib37 3]

Yeah that is right.. That is the scare tactics that the bushlites want us to belive. This was pre planed since 1992. It is called PNAC. Yes search for it. It describes to become a empire. Part of that is to take control over the middle east and put military bases there. How come when they started the attacking Iraq, they did not have a exit plan. They went in Iraq with the intented to stay and establish a militray bast.

Bush blames Saddam and Iraq as the main pepople behind 9/11..Later when reports showed up that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 then bush had to retreat and cover up that hole he dug and he admited that Iraq had nothing to do with it..

The Neocons and the bushlites wants the U.S. Military to be impearlist

you need to take the Rose color glasses off and relize you are somking some good stuff

Edited January 31, 2007 by yogib37

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm not interested in making allies of people who already hate us and want to kill us, I'd rather just kill them first. Our friends know who they are.

You mean Saudi Arabia - shake our hand while handing money to the terrorists?

Or Pakistan perhaps.....

Edited January 31, 2007 by erekose

[Lurker 0]

I am Irish, my family came from Ireland. The difference in that conflict there in my original mother land was simple. We actually knew who we were fighting, and it didn't spread. It was contained within the boarders, aside from the hatred we had for the English for calling us trash and such only because we grew moss, which they accused us as being rats only because that was our biggest commodity.

As for Saddam’s containment attitude. Before the first gulf war, we had to stop Saddam in order to prevent him from committing genocide on the people of Kuwait, and the Kurds in the North. When our media got wind of the Highway of death, there were certain people here back at home that couldn’t stomach the destruction that we caused there in defending a defenseless people (Kurds, Kuwaitis). Hence why we pulled out. Saddam then turned to terrorist activities to counter-balance our powers. We called him on it “Check-mate”. I have seen gassed Kurds lying in the streets dead with my OWN eyes, not from some comfy television with some highly paid news anchor giving the bullshit spill about it. Makes a huge difference if you are there to see and smell with your own senses. Kind of puts a personal touch on it.

And as far as Hitler is concerned. The point there was. During the rise of Hitler to power. Many nations didn’t understand the danger in this. The only people that understood this was Britain and the US (Just like today with the radical Muslims). Public opinion didn’t even understand or fully support what our president and the prime minister at the time were saying (Just like today). Even during the attempted genocide of the people of Poland didn’t lead us into the war. Germany did declare war on us, but only until Pearl Harbor did we actually even participate (9/11 just like today). Now here we are. We got attacked; some in our country don’t have the stomach for it.

I don’t just make this ####### up. It is all in our history books…and even then, they don’t tell the whole story of the boots on the ground. One must get your ####### in the thick of it, to fully understand it. I could see from some of your opinions at what you are saying. But from others, I only have to go down the street, take a big bong hit, cut out my uterus and eat some organic cheese to understand.

I submit to you this. Watch how the Muslims simulate into our society. Then watch how the mosques rise up and get filled with Muslims. Then watch how radical Muslim (KEY WORD RADICAL) clerics fill these mosques. Then watch how they brain wash the Muslim worshipers. For those people in France, and English that have witnessed this first hand…and can see this. Speak up and talk about it, or are you worried about being PC?

Yes, America may have and will make mistakes. We are not perfect. But we give more than any other nation to poorer nations. We have freed more people of other nations. We have come to the defense of other nations more than any other nation. If we were in it for the land, gold, oil or world dominance, we could simply do that easily. The awesome power that we possess is far beyond comprehension, we just restrain ourselves because we are a good nation. It would take only a mere hour to decimate a country like Iraq. Nevertheless, I stand beside this country for good, poorer, and even if we make bad decisions and I will, and have defended her….and always will.

[Lurker 0]

Yeah that is right.. That is the scare tactics that the bushlites want us to belive. This was pre planed since 1992. It is called PNAC. Yes search for it. It describes to become a empire. Part of that is to take control over the middle east and put military bases there. How come when they started the attacking Iraq, they did not have a exit plan. They went in Iraq with the intented to stay and establish a militray bast.

Bush blames Saddam and Iraq as the main pepople behind 9/11..Later when reports showed up that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 then bush had to retreat and cover up that hole he dug and he admited that Iraq had nothing to do with it..

The Neocons and the bushlites wants the U.S. Military to be impearlist

you need to take the Rose color glasses off and relize you are somking some good stuff

What you read and hear from the media is always different than what happens (I have seen this first hand). You cite exactly what the media cites as far as your take on what happened with Bush/Iraq/911. Take a seat, stop smokin the joint...get the bon bon's out of your butt.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So your saying because there is no specific country or government to fight that we should just ignore them? What kind of nonsense is this?

Your argument is a little like the boy who put his finger in the dike. Its like trying to count the grains of sand on a beach.

So your also saying that we should do nothing? #######? Do you really think that if we ignore them they will go away? Or we should just retract our country into it's shell and hide from the world? Or are you one of those that thinks we can negotiate (kiss a$$ ) with the radical fundamentalist Muslims?

Well, let's see. Going after them has only had the effect of intensifying and worsening the problem, so how can the opposite be any worse?

No it just brought them to the fight. Better there than here.

Again, it's arrogant nonsense of this sort that will ensure that the war on terrorism in general and the war on Iraq in particular is a failure. You can't make allies of a people if you keep explaining to them publicly time and again that their lives are worth less than ours. Which is all that nonsensical Rovian catch-phrase really does.

And again, repeating this empty phrase doesn't answer the question why we didn't take them on in Afghanistan where they were in the first place. Why Iraq? One of the few countries in the region that wasn't in bed with these radical elements.

I'm not interested in making allies of people who already hate us and want to kill us, I'd rather just kill them first. Our friends know who they are.

Bush got tens of thousands killed that didn't have a first thing to do with terrorism nor did they ever wanted to kill us. Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis paid the price for a crime they did not commit nor had anything to do with. It's like going out goose hunting but shooting rabbits instead since you can't seem to find any fcuking geese to shoot at. The big difference being that we're talking about innocent humans here that are being shot at. Due to this complete ** up, we don't have any friends in Iraq. This country will never be an ally of ours.

Edited January 31, 2007 by ET-US2004

[Lurker 0]

So your saying because there is no specific country or government to fight that we should just ignore them? What kind of nonsense is this?

Your argument is a little like the boy who put his finger in the dike. Its like trying to count the grains of sand on a beach.

So your also saying that we should do nothing? #######? Do you really think that if we ignore them they will go away? Or we should just retract our country into it's shell and hide from the world? Or are you one of those that thinks we can negotiate (kiss a$$ ) with the radical fundamentalist Muslims?

Well, let's see. Going after them has only had the effect of intensifying and worsening the problem, so how can the opposite be any worse?

No it just brought them to the fight. Better there than here.

Again, it's arrogant nonsense of this sort that will ensure that the war on terrorism in general and the war on Iraq in particular is a failure. You can't make allies of a people if you keep explaining to them publicly time and again that their lives are worth less than ours. Which is all that nonsensical Rovian catch-phrase really does.

And again, repeating this empty phrase doesn't answer the question why we didn't take them on in Afghanistan where they were in the first place. Why Iraq? One of the few countries in the region that wasn't in bed with these radical elements.

I'm not interested in making allies of people who already hate us and want to kill us, I'd rather just kill them first. Our friends know who they are.

Bush got tens of thousands killed that didn't have a first thing to do with terrorism nor did they ever wanted to kill us. Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis paid the price for a crime they did not commit nor had anything to do with. It's like going out goose hunting but shooting rabbits instead since you can't seem to find any fcuking geese to shoot at. The big difference being that we're talking about innocent humans here that are being shot at. Due to this complete ** up, we don't have any friends in Iraq. This country will never be an ally of ours.

"Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis". Believing in the media hype as usual. What?!?! You think these Iraqis that died didn't belong to the murderous regime of Saddam? Where did they all go then? OH OH, and you MUST believe these are all 100% iraqis right? Keep drinking your Kool-Aid and smokin your pipe.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So your saying because there is no specific country or government to fight that we should just ignore them? What kind of nonsense is this?

Your argument is a little like the boy who put his finger in the dike. Its like trying to count the grains of sand on a beach.

So your also saying that we should do nothing? #######? Do you really think that if we ignore them they will go away? Or we should just retract our country into it's shell and hide from the world? Or are you one of those that thinks we can negotiate (kiss a$$ ) with the radical fundamentalist Muslims?

Well, let's see. Going after them has only had the effect of intensifying and worsening the problem, so how can the opposite be any worse?

No it just brought them to the fight. Better there than here.

Again, it's arrogant nonsense of this sort that will ensure that the war on terrorism in general and the war on Iraq in particular is a failure. You can't make allies of a people if you keep explaining to them publicly time and again that their lives are worth less than ours. Which is all that nonsensical Rovian catch-phrase really does.

And again, repeating this empty phrase doesn't answer the question why we didn't take them on in Afghanistan where they were in the first place. Why Iraq? One of the few countries in the region that wasn't in bed with these radical elements.

I'm not interested in making allies of people who already hate us and want to kill us, I'd rather just kill them first. Our friends know who they are.

Bush got tens of thousands killed that didn't have a first thing to do with terrorism nor did they ever wanted to kill us. Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis paid the price for a crime they did not commit nor had anything to do with. It's like going out goose hunting but shooting rabbits instead since you can't seem to find any fcuking geese to shoot at. The big difference being that we're talking about innocent humans here that are being shot at. Due to this complete ** up, we don't have any friends in Iraq. This country will never be an ally of ours.

"Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis". Believing in the media hype as usual. What?!?! You think these Iraqis that died didn't belong to the murderous regime of Saddam? Where did they all go then? OH OH, and you MUST believe these are all 100% iraqis right? Keep drinking your Kool-Aid and smokin your pipe.

If I believed the hype, I'd be referring to hundreds of thousands. While it may actually be the latter, I chose to approach this carefully going with figures not even the Pentagon will refute. Go ahead, look it up. And those are civilian casualties. These were not the enemy even though their orphants, widows, widowers and other relatives now may be. If you believe that there aren't tens of thousands of innocent civilians caught in the crossfire then you're the one smoking #######.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I am Irish, my family came from Ireland. The difference in that conflict there in my original mother land was simple. We actually knew who we were fighting, and it didn't spread. It was contained within the boarders

Really? I think you'll find a few people in England who will disagree with you about that...

Edited January 31, 2007 by erekose

[Boiler 45,525]

I am Irish, my family came from Ireland. The difference in that conflict there in my original mother land was simple. We actually knew who we were fighting, and it didn't spread. It was contained within the boarders

Really? I think you'll find a few people in England who will disagree with you about that...

Yep, heard and saw the bombs go off.

And who supported the Terrorists - USA!

Funny how times change.

[peezey 0]

I am Irish, my family came from Ireland. The difference in that conflict there in my original mother land was simple. We actually knew who we were fighting, and it didn't spread. It was contained within the boarders, aside from the hatred we had for the English for calling us trash and such only because we grew moss, which they accused us as being rats only because that was our biggest commodity.

As for Saddam’s containment attitude. Before the first gulf war, we had to stop Saddam in order to prevent him from committing genocide on the people of Kuwait, and the Kurds in the North. When our media got wind of the Highway of death, there were certain people here back at home that couldn’t stomach the destruction that we caused there in defending a defenseless people (Kurds, Kuwaitis). Hence why we pulled out. Saddam then turned to terrorist activities to counter-balance our powers. We called him on it “Check-mate”. I have seen gassed Kurds lying in the streets dead with my OWN eyes, not from some comfy television with some highly paid news anchor giving the bullshit spill about it. Makes a huge difference if you are there to see and smell with your own senses. Kind of puts a personal touch on it.

And as far as Hitler is concerned. The point there was. During the rise of Hitler to power. Many nations didn’t understand the danger in this. The only people that understood this was Britain and the US (Just like today with the radical Muslims). Public opinion didn’t even understand or fully support what our president and the prime minister at the time were saying (Just like today). Even during the attempted genocide of the people of Poland didn’t lead us into the war. Germany did declare war on us, but only until Pearl Harbor did we actually even participate (9/11 just like today). Now here we are. We got attacked; some in our country don’t have the stomach for it.

I don’t just make this ####### up. It is all in our history books…and even then, they don’t tell the whole story of the boots on the ground. One must get your ####### in the thick of it, to fully understand it. I could see from some of your opinions at what you are saying. But from others, I only have to go down the street, take a big bong hit, cut out my uterus and eat some organic cheese to understand.

I submit to you this. Watch how the Muslims simulate into our society. Then watch how the mosques rise up and get filled with Muslims. Then watch how radical Muslim (KEY WORD RADICAL) clerics fill these mosques. Then watch how they brain wash the Muslim worshipers. For those people in France, and English that have witnessed this first hand…and can see this. Speak up and talk about it, or are you worried about being PC?

Yes, America may have and will make mistakes. We are not perfect. But we give more than any other nation to poorer nations. We have freed more people of other nations. We have come to the defense of other nations more than any other nation. If we were in it for the land, gold, oil or world dominance, we could simply do that easily. The awesome power that we possess is far beyond comprehension, we just restrain ourselves because we are a good nation. It would take only a mere hour to decimate a country like Iraq. Nevertheless, I stand beside this country for good, poorer, and even if we make bad decisions and I will, and have defended her….and always will.

Alex, I guess it's yes! to the arrogance, ignorance, and prejudice!

[peezey 0]

So your saying because there is no specific country or government to fight that we should just ignore them? What kind of nonsense is this?

Your argument is a little like the boy who put his finger in the dike. Its like trying to count the grains of sand on a beach.

So your also saying that we should do nothing? #######? Do you really think that if we ignore them they will go away? Or we should just retract our country into it's shell and hide from the world? Or are you one of those that thinks we can negotiate (kiss a$$ ) with the radical fundamentalist Muslims?

Well, let's see. Going after them has only had the effect of intensifying and worsening the problem, so how can the opposite be any worse?

No it just brought them to the fight. Better there than here.

Again, it's arrogant nonsense of this sort that will ensure that the war on terrorism in general and the war on Iraq in particular is a failure. You can't make allies of a people if you keep explaining to them publicly time and again that their lives are worth less than ours. Which is all that nonsensical Rovian catch-phrase really does.

And again, repeating this empty phrase doesn't answer the question why we didn't take them on in Afghanistan where they were in the first place. Why Iraq? One of the few countries in the region that wasn't in bed with these radical elements.

I'm not interested in making allies of people who already hate us and want to kill us, I'd rather just kill them first. Our friends know who they are.

Bush got tens of thousands killed that didn't have a first thing to do with terrorism nor did they ever wanted to kill us. Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis paid the price for a crime they did not commit nor had anything to do with. It's like going out goose hunting but shooting rabbits instead since you can't seem to find any fcuking geese to shoot at. The big difference being that we're talking about innocent humans here that are being shot at. Due to this complete ** up, we don't have any friends in Iraq. This country will never be an ally of ours.

"Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis". Believing in the media hype as usual. What?!?! You think these Iraqis that died didn't belong to the murderous regime of Saddam? Where did they all go then? OH OH, and you MUST believe these are all 100% iraqis right? Keep drinking your Kool-Aid and smokin your pipe.

For someone who has smelled the death of Kurds, I'd think you'd be a bit more schooled on warfare.

[Lurker 0]

It seems very clear to me whose side you all are on by your comments.

[garya505 2]

So your saying because there is no specific country or government to fight that we should just ignore them? What kind of nonsense is this?

Your argument is a little like the boy who put his finger in the dike. Its like trying to count the grains of sand on a beach.

So your also saying that we should do nothing? #######? Do you really think that if we ignore them they will go away? Or we should just retract our country into it's shell and hide from the world? Or are you one of those that thinks we can negotiate (kiss a$$ ) with the radical fundamentalist Muslims?

Well, let's see. Going after them has only had the effect of intensifying and worsening the problem, so how can the opposite be any worse?

No it just brought them to the fight. Better there than here.

Again, it's arrogant nonsense of this sort that will ensure that the war on terrorism in general and the war on Iraq in particular is a failure. You can't make allies of a people if you keep explaining to them publicly time and again that their lives are worth less than ours. Which is all that nonsensical Rovian catch-phrase really does.

And again, repeating this empty phrase doesn't answer the question why we didn't take them on in Afghanistan where they were in the first place. Why Iraq? One of the few countries in the region that wasn't in bed with these radical elements.

I'm not interested in making allies of people who already hate us and want to kill us, I'd rather just kill them first. Our friends know who they are.

Bush got tens of thousands killed that didn't have a first thing to do with terrorism nor did they ever wanted to kill us. Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis paid the price for a crime they did not commit nor had anything to do with. It's like going out goose hunting but shooting rabbits instead since you can't seem to find any fcuking geese to shoot at. The big difference being that we're talking about innocent humans here that are being shot at. Due to this complete ** up, we don't have any friends in Iraq. This country will never be an ally of ours.

Innocent people are always killed in war. As usual, you focus on the innocent Iraqs that have been killed in the last 4 years, and you ignore the thousands of innocent Iraqs killed by Saddam and the extremist groups operating in Iraq (yes, then AND now). No geese to shoot at? You seem to be confused. Are there too many extremist groups trying to destabilize the Iraqi government, or not enough? Which is it?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Innocent people are always killed in war. As usual, you focus on the innocent Iraqs that have been killed in the last 4 years, and you ignore the thousands of innocent Iraqs killed by Saddam and the extremist groups operating in Iraq (yes, then AND now).

So did you - when it became convenient to turn a debunked national security threat into a humanitarian adventure.