Identical twin studies prove homosexuality is not genetic

[aaydrian 479]

That is not an answer of any kind unless you admit to also having had sex with men you were not attracted to just because they were there.

I never said that. I have female friends that have been with men they do not care for or was attracted to. My male friends too have been with girls they aren't attracted to but the puss was there so why the heck not.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Then all this is a moot point if a gay person tells you they were born this way believe them, if they tell you they were influenced and chose to be gay believe them as well. You are trying to understand or label something that is beyond your comprehension.

Live and let live and have sex with whomever you want.

I agree. The causes of homosexuality are really only of interest to researchers.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What of children who's parents swear to Venus and back that their daughter is a son because the child wanted to play in dirt and with trucks all day, so they, the parents, keep encouraging something that is not there and the child to lead a life that they (child) could possibly not have wanted? That is a choice even if it is not of the individual who is being affected most.

Even if that scenario held any water, then as you point out correctly, the choice would not be with the affected individual but with that person's parents. Which still supports my argument that one does not choose to be straight or gay or anything in-between. Of course, if nurture would be the only or even just the primary key then one could argue that no gay person should ever come out of a straight household and vice versa. Naturally, most gays come out of heterosexual households so there goes that theory.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What of children who's parents swear to Venus and back that their daughter is a son because the child wanted to play in dirt and with trucks all day, so they, the parents, keep encouraging something that is not there and the child to lead a life that they (child) could possibly not have wanted? That is a choice even if it is not of the individual who is being affected most.

That example doesn't mean that an adult will turn out gay. You're trying to simplify something that's very complex. The reality is there is no single causal factor that applies to every gay person all of the time.

There just isn't.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

A genetic predisposition implies weakness as if a magical outside force compels them to do what they do. What a load of hooey! Whatever happened to doing what you do because you do what you do? Is this an 0bola mentality to where genetic predisposition removes someone from responsibility? Isn't that like getting really, really fat because of freaky fat genes (or fat jeans).

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Even if that scenario held any water, then as you point out correctly, the choice would not be with the affected individual but with that person's parents. Which still supports my argument that one does not choose to be straight or gay or anything in-between. Of course, if nurture would be the only or even just the primary key then one could argue that no gay person should ever come out of a straight household and vice versa. Naturally, most gays come out of heterosexual households so there goes that theory.

Well no it wouldn't be the case because choosing to let a little girl be a tom boy isn't choosing for them to be gay, since again there is no clear cut causal factor involved.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I never said that. I have female friends that have been with men they do not care for or was attracted to. My male friends too have been with girls they aren't attracted to but the puss was there so why the heck not.

exactly Men do it all the time

[JohnR! 5,495]

Rubbish. We were all raised in the same manner at home.

The problem with that is it suggests that certain styles of parenting make people gay. I don't think that's something that can be proven either. However, it is obvious why some people would want to believe that.

Everyone's experience is unique, I don't think you can point at something and say it made someone gay.

[JohnR! 5,495]

That is why I said it wasn't an answer. Your comment only provides evidence that at some point you chose to have sex with a woman because she was there. That is not a choice, unless it would have been as easy for you to have had sex were she a male instead.

Perhaps it's not clear to you that I am talking about 'choice of sexual orientation' not 'choice of having sex'.

One can certainly choose to have/not to have sex, as evidenced by your comment. One can't choose one's sexual orientation though.

I never said that. I have female friends that have been with men they do not care for or was attracted to. My male friends too have been with girls they aren't attracted to but the puss was there so why the heck not.

Edited November 5, 2014 by JohnR!

[aaydrian 479]

Even if that scenario held any water, then as you point out correctly, the choice would not be with the affected individual but with that person's parents. Which still supports my argument that one does not choose to be straight or gay or anything in-between. Of course, if nurture would be the only or even just the primary key then one could argue that no gay person should ever come out of a straight household and vice versa. Naturally, most gays come out of heterosexual households so there goes that theory.

But it still doesn't take away from my opinion that nature or nurture by themselves or a combination of both affects our sexual orientation.

[aaydrian 479]

That is why I said it wasn't an answer. Your comment only provides evidence that at some point you chose to have sex with a woman because she was there. That is not a choice, unless it would have been as easy for you to have had sex were she a male instead.

Perhaps it's not clear to you that I am talking about 'choice of sexual orientation' not 'choice of having sex'.

That's how you interpreted my comment but that is not what I meant.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Scientists believe nature plays a big part in sexual orientation. Genetics play a huge part in how we're wired.

But it still doesn't take away from my opinion that nature or nurture by themselves or a combination of both affects our sexual orientation.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

But it still doesn't take away from my opinion that nature or nurture by themselves or a combination of both affects our sexual orientation.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But you have got nothing to substantiate that opinion.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Rubbish. We were all raised in the same manner at home.

I'm not suggesting that isn't the case. I can see though why some people would want to blame homosexuality on deficient parenting, because they think there is something wrong with being gay.

Personally I do think a person's reaction to their parents could be a factor in developing homosexuality but that's not the same. Everyone has a unique relationship with their parents and an experience of their upbringing that is similarly unique. In a sense, you can't say that you and your brother have the same parents, if you see what I mean.

Edited November 5, 2014 by Hail Ming!

[JohnR! 5,495]

I apologize if I misunderstood you. Obviously we were talking about different things. I have been talking about 'sexual orientation' all along, just so we are clear.

That's how you interpreted my comment but that is not what I meant.