No Votes for Dems or Repubs Until They Fix Unfair Treatment Towards USCs filing for the Spouses Abroad

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I mean really valuable lesson learned. We should have paid the money, shut up and rolled with the flow. We probably would have had a better outcome other than telling the truth like the law asks us to.

How do you prove this happened? You can't. It's your word against the u.s. embassy and the local government.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I seriously thought I answered this. The police told him the embassy told them about the police officer asking about the bribe. Like a day or 2 after my husband went to the embassy someone from the embassy went to the police station and told them about what my husband said at his 2nd interview with them.

My take on it. The Embassy is naturally going to check up on why you mention an incident and the police report doesn't show it. They go to police station to inquire. Embassy official asks what is going on. Police give some answer, Embassy tells them about the claim that a bribe was requested. Police get caught with hands in cookie jar and take revenge on your husband. You don't know how the discussion led to the disclosing about the bribery claim. I don't know the law on what the Embassy is allowed to do or ask or reveal while investigating you case and claims. But I wouldn't expect the Embassy to take my word without contacting the police, and there were going to be questions by both sides about what is going on.

If there is a law that the Embassy violated, you can try to hold them accountable, but that's not going to advance your case, IMO. The local police are going to make your life miserable and they are not accountable to anyone. The Embassy can do nothing about that.

You said you submitted a waiver, and I can only hope for your sake that it was good as humanely possible. It needed to be well written and well documented with supporting information. A good waiver is a package, and you need to make your hardships work for you. Believe me, it's not a few hours of work to submit a good one.

If you want the name of a good attorney or two to run this by, I'll give you some info. You need to be able to tell this story in a clear, concise way so that someone reading it can follow it and understand the important details. Your talking two different things here, getting your husband approved and filing charges against the US Government.

Have you contacted your state's US Senators? Your Congressman? Have you written a first class letter with all of this information that is easy to follow? What you are trying to do even with just the waiver is a lot of time and work. Productive time and work.

[eieio 1,594]

I would suggest doubling up that bribe and kissing some police butt

I agree. If sounds like the police were upset about not getting the bribe. More upset about it getting reported. Now they have shown you what they can do.

I would try talking to the police and see how much they will take to get it fixed. People talk about how bad the police are in the US...but it is nothing compared to how the police operate in many countries.

Us laws do not apply in Sri Lanka.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

But that's not the way the law is currently written. It's part of the Immigration and Nationality Act or the Immigration Reform Act of 1986. I forget which and it really doesn't matter unless one want to throw in a dig that it was under Reagan's watch so it's really because of the Republicans. All joking aside, it's the law and has been for quite a while.

Yeah and it Sucks

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I mean really valuable lesson learned. We should have paid the money, shut up and rolled with the flow. We probably would have had a better outcome other than telling the truth like the law asks us to.

How do you prove this happened? You can't. It's your word against the u.s. embassy and the local government.

It's your word against the local police not the Embassy. They are just following the rules. They probably told a higher official in the Police dept a bribe was requested. Remember it's your word against the police. They are the one's who produce the records that matter.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

My take on it. The Embassy is naturally going to check up on why you mention an incident and the police report doesn't show it. They go to police station to inquire. Embassy official asks what is going on. Police give some answer, Embassy tells them about the claim that a bribe was requested. Police get caught with hands in cookie jar and take revenge on your husband. You don't know how the discussion led to the disclosing about the bribery claim. I don't know the law on what the Embassy is allowed to do or ask or reveal while investigating you case and claims. But I wouldn't expect the Embassy to take my word without contacting the police, and there were going to be questions by both sides about what is going on.

If there is a law that the Embassy violated, you can try to hold them accountable, but that's not going to advance your case, IMO. The local police are going to make your life miserable and they are not accountable to anyone. The Embassy can do nothing about that.

You said you submitted a waiver, and I can only hope for your sake that it was good as humanely possible. It needed to be well written and well documented with supporting information. A good waiver is a package, and you need to make your hardships work for you. Believe me, it's not a few hours of work to submit a good one.

If you want the name of a good attorney or two to run this by, I'll give you some info. You need to be able to tell this story in a clear, concise way so that someone reading it can follow it and understand the important details. Your talking two different things here, getting your husband approved and filing charges against the US Government.

Have you contacted your state's US Senators? Your Congressman? Have you written a first class letter with all of this information that is easy to follow? What you are trying to do even with just the waiver is a lot of time and work. Productive time and work.

They didn't do it discretely. They went to the police station, at the front counter with a Sri Lankan interpreter and told them what we said. This is not how you handle this type of situation. You don't give up your "informant" and you definitely shouldn't give the name of the USC in this matter. This is also a problem for their embassy. It would have been to their advantage to investigate this quietly to find out if they are indeed giving visas to people who have criminal records. No telling the terrorists and murders they let in because they paid money to the police to keep it quiet. As the USC it was my duty to inform them of the matter.

The embassy also has the paper work showing that the case was dismissed. They also can see that he was re-charged after they went to the police department. I also have the original email sent to the security officer of the embassy telling him about the name of the officer and what was asked of my husband. An ex-U.S. Ambassador sent the email on my behalf. That's how we got in touch with the regional security officer.

I contacted Neughbauer's Office. The guy was stomped. He said he had never seen a case like mine and didn't know what to do.

The embassy's sole purpose of adding the misrep was to try and insure my husband did not receive a visa. They know it would be next to impossible to get a CIMT and misrep approved.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I agree. If sounds like the police were upset about not getting the bribe. More upset about it getting reported. Now they have shown you what they can do.

I would try talking to the police and see how much they will take to get it fixed. People talk about how bad the police are in the US...but it is nothing compared to how the police operate in many countries.

Us laws do not apply in Sri Lanka.

Can't fix it. Even if they went back to court and dismissed it, per U.S. immigration law it would have to be dismissed for a legal error, not because the court decided they would dismiss it for unknown reasons.

I think part of the money was supposed to go to someone at the embassy to be honest. We screwed up when we didn't pay.

[eieio 1,594]

per U.S. immigration law it would have to be dismissed for a legal error,

This just means you might have to pay two bribes.

Look at your options.

20,000 for a lawyer that may get you no results.

Swimming the river.

Paying some bribes that MIGHT cost 2,000 total.

Find out who can change the "legal" error.

Edit to add. I do not know where the legal error would have to be changed.

Edited November 4, 2014 by eieio

[Janelle2002 3,865]

This just means you might have to pay two bribes.

Look at your options.

20,000 for a lawyer that may get you no results.

Swimming the river.

Paying some bribes that MIGHT cost 2,000 total.

Find out who can change the "legal" error.

You are right. This does seem like the best route. We should see if we can get this "legal error" reversed.

Won't kill the misrep but it will kill the CIMT.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

They didn't do it discretely. They went to the police station, at the front counter with a Sri Lankan interpreter and told them what we said. This is not how you handle this type of situation. You don't give up your "informant" and you definitely shouldn't give the name of the USC in this matter. This is also a problem for their embassy. It would have been to their advantage to investigate this quietly to find out if they are indeed giving visas to people who have criminal records. No telling the terrorists and murders they let in because they paid money to the police to keep it quiet. As the USC it was my duty to inform them of the matter.

The embassy also has the paper work showing that the case was dismissed. They also can see that he was re-charged after they went to the police department. I also have the original email sent to the security officer of the embassy telling him about the name of the officer and what was asked of my husband. An ex-U.S. Ambassador sent the email on my behalf. That's how we got in touch with the regional security officer.

I contacted Neughbauer's Office. The guy was stomped. He said he had never seen a case like mine and didn't know what to do.

The embassy's sole purpose of adding the misrep was to try and insure my husband did not receive a visa. They know it would be next to impossible to get a CIMT and misrep approved.

How do you know the police are telling the truth? I would trust them less than the Embassy. And no doubt bribery goes on in many countries and many levels.

And don't be surprised if USCIS monitors the major immigration sites.

[eieio 1,594]

You are right. This does seem like the best route. We should see if we can get this "legal error" reversed.

Won't kill the misrep but it will kill the CIMT.

It won't hurt to look into it, just proceed with caution.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

How do you know the police are telling the truth? I would trust them less than the Embassy. And no doubt bribery goes on in many countries and many levels.

And don't be surprised if USCIS monitors the major immigration sites.

There was no way the police would have known unless someone at the embassy told them. They knew EVERYTHING my husband told the embassy.

This is how we know. The police lady told my husband everything the embassy told them when the people came from the embassy. Which was almost everything he had told them. Including it was an ex-ambassador that contacted the embassy. Now how would the police know this?

She asked him why would an ex-ambassador have an interest in his case.

USCIS should monitor. They need to know the crooked chit we have to deal with!!!

As a USC I should not have to live outside of my home country to have a family. It isn't right especially when you did everything you could to do this process right.

It won't hurt to look into it, just proceed with caution.

I am. I don't if it would help at this point. That embassy has it out for us at this point. I think he should move to another country so IF our waiver is approved he doesn't have to go through that embassy again.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

There was no way the police would have known unless someone at the embassy told them. They knew EVERYTHING my husband told the embassy.

This is how we know. The police lady told my husband everything the embassy told them when the people came from the embassy. Which was almost everything he had told them. Including it was an ex-ambassador that contacted the embassy. Now how would the police know this?

She asked him why would an ex-ambassador have an interest in his case.

USCIS should monitor. They need to know the crooked chit we have to deal with!!!

As a USC I should not have to live outside of my home country to have a family. It isn't right especially when you did everything you could to do this process right.

I am. I don't if it would help at this point. That embassy has it out for us at this point. I think he should move to another country so IF our waiver is approved he doesn't have to go through that embassy again.

I'm still not clear when the request for the bribe came into the picture. You already had a clean police certificate in hand when you went to the Embassy. It was at the interview that the Embassy asked why you had a clean certificate and listed a problem on your application? When did the police ask for money to send a clean certificate.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I'm still not clear when the request for the bribe came into the picture. You already had a clean police certificate in hand when you went to the Embassy. It was at the interview that the Embassy asked why you had a clean certificate and listed a problem on your application? When did the police ask for money to send a clean certificate.

We had the interview. I was told on the 221g we needed to submit a cosponsor and my w-2. Since i lived over in Sri Lanka my pay period didn't show i met the poverty level even though my employment letter said i did.

After I submitted the papers, we didn't hear anything back from the embassy. That's when my husband received the phone call from the police telling him the embassy sent a letter to the police station asking did he have any problems with his criminal history. (this is not word for word) The police officer told him for a "fee" or "present" they would tell the embassy no there are no problems.

But during the NVC stage we had already submitted the police certificate, which had nothing pending and no criminal history on it, as well as the visa application that stated we did have a problem.

See, this is too much. That's why I never posted any of this information before now.

Edited November 4, 2014 by Janelle2002

[spookyturtle 9,465]

We had the interview. I was told on the 221g we needed to submit a cosponsor and my w-2. Since i lived over in Sri Lanka my pay period didn't show i met the poverty level even though my employment letter said i did.

After I submitted the papers, we didn't hear anything back from the embassy. That's when my husband received the phone call from the police telling him the embassy sent a letter to the police station asking did he have any problems with his criminal history. (this is not word for word) The police officer told him for a "fee" or "present" they would tell the embassy no there are no problems.

But during the NVC stage we had already submitted the police certificate, which had nothing pending and no criminal history on it, as well as the visa application that stated we did have a problem.

See, this is too much. That's why I never posted any of this information before now.

Understood. And I'm not trying to get you to air your laundry in public. If you seek help here or at the other forum that we're not allowed to talk about, you have to get down and dirty and give all the details. Understandably, some would rather not do that. The alternative is to post bits and pieces and get some information here and there. Or consult with a good lawyer. IMO, you needed a lawyer to do the waiver once all of this happened, and that's completely forgetting about whether the embassy did anything illegal or not. If you did the waiver yourself, you needed to do a ton of research and reading and get help on how to do it and document it.

And the more time you spend out of the US and working in another country, the more difficult it becomes to prove hardship to you, especially if there are no minor children involved.

You can request a Congressional inquiry from your US Senator. You need to write letters and send them in the mail. A paragraph in an email isn't enough. You need to document ever step in your case. It's a boatload of time,effort and frustration. And I do think you need to talk to a good lawyer, and not about suing the government.