Nazi war crime suspects collected millions of dollars in US Social Security: AP

[unsmiley 111]

Unbelievably, according to the Associated Press, the US paid lifelong Social Security benefits to dozens of suspected Nazi war criminals and SS guards as an "incentive" for them to leave America. More here:

http://www.neurope.eu/news/wire/ap-investigation-nazi-war-crime-suspects-collected-millions-dollars-us-social-security-0

[Dakine10 5,452]

Neal Sher, who was OSI's director from 1983 to 1994, said the State Department put a higher priority on diplomatic niceties than holding former members of Adolf Hitler's war machine accountable.

The heart of the problem. They shouldn't have let these guy's in in the first place instead of taking 40 years to get serious about it.

[unsmiley 111]

Some are now claiming the U.S. paid these monsters with the thought they would be prosecuted in their own countries after they departed. Fat chance.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yeah that's pretty shameful.

[Karee 4,190]

Why shouldn't they collect? They paid in to the system for years.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The issue (obviously) is that they had at least half a century of relative freedom to pay into the system. That's 50 years their victims didn't have.

[Karee 4,190]

The issue (obviously) is that they had at least half a century of relative freedom to pay into the system. That's 50 years their victims didn't have.

First were they convicted of anything? I don't think so because throughout the article they are referred to as "suspects" Second, if they are convicted what does that have to do with the money they paid in over the years? If they are convicted, lock them up. I don't understand what social security has to do with any of it. They paid in to the system, so they're just getting back what they paid in. If they were receiving some kind of welfare benefit, that would be another matter.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well there is more than one article about these people.

Why were they allowed into the United States if there was a suspicion that they had been involved in war crimes? Do you think it's because noone knew what they had done?

[Karee 4,190]

Well there is more than one article about these people.

Why were they allowed into the United States if there was a suspicion that they had been involved in war crimes? Do you think it's because noone knew what they had done?

That's irrelevant. Did they pay in to the system or not?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think it's questionable that Nazi war criminals were allowed entry to the United States. It's a different argument, but not one that is difficult to grasp.

[Karee 4,190]

I think it's questionable that Nazi war criminals were allowed entry to the United States. It's a different argument, but not one that is difficult to grasp.

Yeah that's a different matter. Seems if they ARE convicted (which so far they haven't been), then they obviously shouldn't have been allowed in to the U.S. If they are convicted, they should be sentenced accordingly. I still don't see how that has anything to do with receiving benefits from a system that they paid in to for years. It's a separate matter IMO.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Some of these people were protected from prosecution by the United States Government because of their supposed intelligence value.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Yeah that's a different matter. Seems if they ARE convicted (which so far they haven't been), then they obviously shouldn't have been allowed in to the U.S. If they are convicted, they should be sentenced accordingly. I still don't see how that has anything to do with receiving benefits from a system that they paid in to for years. It's a separate matter IMO.

They are inadmissible if they participated voluntarily in Nazi related genocide or persecution, even if they weren't convicted. At the time some of these guys were admitted, they were known to have done that but they were only going after the big fish at the time.

I agree though, since they weren't deported, AFAIK, there is no provision in the law for denying them their SS benefits.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

They are inadmissible if they participated voluntarily in Nazi related genocide or persecution, even if they weren't convicted. At the time some of these guys were admitted, they were known to have done that but they were only going after the big fish at the time.

I agree though, since they weren't deported, AFAIK, there is no provision in the law for denying them their SS benefits.

Agreed - participation in Nazi genocide is a question on visa applications that would make you inadmissable for admission. Like the questions about moral turpitude, you don't need to have actually been convicted of the crime for that to apply.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Most of them admitted their roles when they entered the US. If anything it's a reminder that the political motivation behind illegal immigration is nothing new.

http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-the-nazis-who-got-social-security-2014-10