URGENT: Obama Admin Will Issue Travel Bans… But It’s Not What You Think

[JohnR! 5,495]

[insert facepalm here]

:rofl:

That's what world renowned Ebola expert Uncle Beer tells me.

[Dakine10 5,452]

1) The "experts" are not in agreement on this. It is inaccurate too present them as if they have unified point of view. Also it is unwise to underestimate all of us and our background.

I said there is not a clear consensus, which I believe would mean they are not all in agreement.

I posted the argument against in response to Karee's point. I concede the argument for travel restrictions does not need clarification. There seems to be some thinking there is no counter point. There is. Ipresented it but it's not my argument.

Sometimes you have to read from the beginning to understand what's going on.

Edited October 20, 2014 by Dakine10

[UncleBeer 244]

That's what world renowned Ebola expert Uncle Beer tells me.

Please point out where I've claimed to be an expert. I'll wait. Not a rhetorical question; you've made a claim that I've insinuated myself as expert. Proof or STFU.

You on the other hand have told us to trust "the experts". Who are these "experts"? CDC? You?

[unsmiley 111]

I said there is not a clear consensus, which I believe would mean they are not all in agreement.

I posted the argument against in response to Karee's point. I concede the argument for travel restrictions does not need clarification. There seems to be some thinking there is no counter point. There is. Ipresented it but it's not my argument.

Sometimes you have to read from the beginning to understand what's going on.

Not to nitpick, but a quick recap of the earliest posts in this thread did not reveal any in which you stated "not a clear consensus."

Still, maybe I missed something. Either way, NBD.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Not to nitpick, but a quick recap of the earliest posts in this thread did not reveal any in which you stated "not a clear consensus."

Still, maybe I missed something. Either way, NBD.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/519016-urgent-obama-admin-will-issue-travel-bans-but-its-not-what-you-think/page-2#entry7296984

Nobody has made the argument we shouldn't worry about it.

The argument about travel bans has been made. Armchair Ebola experts overwhelmingly seem to be in favor. Public health and infectious disease experts don't reach a clear consensus.

Edited October 20, 2014 by Dakine10

[Dakine10 5,452]

Please point out where I've claimed to be an expert. I'll wait. Not a rhetorical question; you've made a claim that I've insinuated myself as expert. Proof or STFU.

You act as if you know more than the experts. By definition then, you must be one.

[Dakine10 5,452]

You on the other hand have told us to trust "the experts". Who are these "experts"? CDC? You?

I don't care if you trust the experts or not. Unless you have some sort of influence on public policy it doesn't matter.

I'll trust the real experts over the pretend ones. Again not that it matters and I am not an expert, but I know enough to discern who knows their stuff and who is full of it.

[UncleBeer 244]

You act as if you know more than the experts. By definition then, you must be one.

I think you've dug yourself a big enough hole. Maybe time to stop now?

[UncleBeer 244]

Back on topic (until they intervene again...). Peggy Noonan nails it:

What normal people can see and imagine is that three Ebola cases have severely stressed the system. Washington is scrambling, the Centers for Disease Control is embarrassed, local hospitals are rushing to learn protocols and get in all necessary equipment. Nurses groups and unions have been enraged, the public alarmed—and all this after only three cases.

What would it look like if there were 300? That is not a big number in a nation of over 300 million. Yet it would leave the system hyperstressed, and hyperstressed things break down.

How many people and professionals have been involved in the treatment, transport, tracking, monitoring, isolation and public-information aspects of the three people who became sick? Again, what if it were 300—could we fully track, treat and handle all those cases? If scores of people begin over the next few weeks going to hospital emergency rooms with Ebola, how many of their doctors, nurses, orderlies, office staffers, communications workers and technicians would continue to report to their jobs? All of them at first, then most of them. But as things became more ragged, pressured and dangerous, would they continue?

This is why people are concerned. They can imagine how all this could turn south so fast, with only a few hundred cases. This is why the White House claims that we will not have a widespread breakout is fatuous: Even a limited breakout would take us into uncharted territory.

The only thing that will calm the public is competence.

If only we had a competent administration...

[Dakine10 5,452]

I think you've dug yourself a big enough hole. Maybe time to stop now?

If you don't have a response, can't you just make good on your threat and stop responding.

[UncleBeer 244]

If you don't have a response, can't you just make good on your threat and stop responding.

What in the world are you blabbering about now?

Not aware that any response was 'required' and I'm also unaware of any 'threats'.

[TBoneTX 45,287]

Guys, the bickering is distracting from the discussion of the topic. Thanks.

[Dakine10 5,452]

What in the world are you blabbering about now?

Not aware that any response was 'required' and I'm also unaware of any 'threats'.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/519016-urgent-obama-admin-will-issue-travel-bans-but-its-not-what-you-think/page-2#entry7296977

[Greg_Dubai 15]

So here's my 2 cents on the issue:

If we are going to require our service members that are to return from West Africa to quarantine for 21 days before returning why wouldn't we require others to do the same? 21 days is not a long time, how long do we applying for Visa wait? My K-1 petition was only 36 days, now i have another month or so at NVC and a 3-4 month wait for an appointment in Abu Dhabi. Most of us would be happy to spend 21 days.

But back to main point, why quarantine men and women building hospitals and not quarantine people that may or may nothave actually had contact?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So here's my 2 cents on the issue:

If we are going to require our service members that are to return from West Africa to quarantine for 21 days before returning why wouldn't we require others to do the same? 21 days is not a long time, how long do we applying for Visa wait? My K-1 petition was only 36 days, now i have another month or so at NVC and a 3-4 month wait for an appointment in Abu Dhabi. Most of us would be happy to spend 21 days.

But back to main point, why quarantine men and women building hospitals and not quarantine people that may or may nothave actually had contact?

Probably because locking up foreign nationals and USCs who haven't committed any crime is a bit excessive. The disease isn't contagious until symptoms manifest. People who turn up at an airport with active symptoms should certainly be quarantined (which is what is happening), but quarantining everyone who flies in from a particular country? Its not necessary.

If you're in the military, the government owns you.