Supreme Court allows Texas voter ID law for now

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

IMO, I don't think that voter fraud has any real impact on elections, but that is no justification to make it easy to happen. If I go into a bank and the teller doesn't know me, I have to show my ID to make a withdrawal, etc. Certain transactions require an ID regardless if the person knows you or not, it is bank protocol. I think voting is important enough that it's not a big deal to show an ID.

The argument is absurd. How coming showing an ID to vote is racist. Does showing an ID to fly keep minorities from fly or buying a 40

[Karee 4,190]

I think voting is important enough that it's not a big deal to show an ID.

It's not a big deal. That's why I don't get the resistance to the law. It makes me think that people are voting that shouldn't be.

[UncleBeer 244]

IMO, I don't think that voter fraud has any real impact on elections, but that is no justification to make it easy to happen. If I go into a bank and the teller doesn't know me, I have to show my ID to make a withdrawal, etc. Certain transactions require an ID regardless if the person knows you or not, it is bank protocol. I think voting is important enough that it's not a big deal to show an ID.

And also makes it very suspicious-looking when a political party is willing to put up such a fight to avoid simple verification of a person's right to vote.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

It's not a big deal. That's why I don't get the resistance to the law. It makes me think that people are voting that shouldn't be.

And also makes it very suspicious-looking when a political party is willing to put up such a fight to avoid simple verification of a person's right to vote.

And I also find it amusing and annoying that some who are against having an ID to vote are against legal gun ownership. Some say it is a violation to have to prove identity to vote, yet they are against those who jump through all the hoops to become gun owners.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I agree it is a big deal but it is impossible to expect voters to present a picture id. It's just not realistic of feasible. There will always be someone without a picture ID. The current system of voting cards works. A real solution for this would be as practical as to demand proof of citizenship at the polling places.

IMHO let's open the discussion and establish a target - one that fits Americans from all walks of life. It's not something that should be used for grandstanding, as Rick Perry is doing.

IMO, I don't think that voter fraud has any real impact on elections, but that is no justification to make it easy to happen. If I go into a bank and the teller doesn't know me, I have to show my ID to make a withdrawal, etc. Certain transactions require an ID regardless if the person knows you or not, it is bank protocol. I think voting is important enough that it's not a big deal to show an ID.

[JohnR! 5,495]

And there are those who believe you should provide an id to vote but not to buy a gun. It takes every kind of people...

And I also find it amusing and annoying that some who are against having an ID to vote are against legal gun ownership. Some say it is a violation to have to prove identity to vote, yet they are against those who jump through all the hoops to become gun owners.

[Karee 4,190]

I agree it is a big deal but it is impossible to expect voters to present a picture id. It's just not realistic of feasible. There will always be someone without a picture ID. The current system of voting cards works. A real solution for this would be as practical as to demand proof of citizenship at the polling places.

IMHO let's open the discussion and establish a target - one that fits Americans from all walks of life. It's not something that should be used for grandstanding, as Rick Perry is doing.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I agree it is a big deal but it is impossible to expect voters to present a picture id. It's just not realistic of feasible. There will always be someone without a picture ID. The current system of voting cards works. A real solution for this would be as practical as to demand proof of citizenship at the polling places.

IMHO let's open the discussion and establish a target - one that fits Americans from all walks of life. It's not something that should be used for grandstanding, as Rick Perry is doing.

Why not a government provided ID? I would be willing to bet that those who were avid voters would get the ID or already have one anyway. I know lots of people who hardly ever vote. Out here in suburbia, a town election is lucky to get a 20% turnout for most elections. Requiring an ID isn't going to keep people away. The reality is there is a lot of voter apathy. What is the average percentage of turnout for a Presidential election, about 50%? I don't know off the top of my head, I'm just curious.

And there are those who believe you should provide an id to vote but not to buy a gun. It takes every kind of people...

I'm in MA, so there were a lot of hoops to jump through to get a CC license. The rectal exam was a killer.

[Karee 4,190]

Why not a government provided ID? I would be willing to bet that those who were avid voters would get the ID or already have one anyway. I know lots of people who hardly ever vote. Out here in suburbia, a town election is lucky to get a 20% turnout for most elections. Requiring an ID isn't going to keep people away. The reality is there is a lot of voter apathy. What is the average percentage of turnout for a Presidential election, about 50%? I don't know off the top of my head, I'm just curious.

I'm in MA, so there were a lot of hoops to jump through to get a CC license. The rectal exam was a killer.

The reelection of Barack Obama was tarnished by a lower voter turnout rate than 2008, dropping from 61.6% of those eligible to vote to 58.2%, or a decrease of 3.4 percentage points. Here, I place the 2012 turnout rate in historical perspective and analyze where turnout decreased, and where it increased. These turnout patterns illuminate how participation is stimulated in battleground states, how much the devastation of Hurricane Sandy depressed turnout, and provide insights to the much-discussed rise in the minority share of the electorate.

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Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/turnout-in-the-2012-presi_b_2663122.html

I'm surprised it's that high. I would've thought it was under 50%.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I'm surprised it's that high. I would've thought it was under 50%.

It would be interesting to see the stats on the past several elections. The over 60% was a surprise to me too. I would have guessed somewhere in the lower 50% range. But that's still a huge chunk of people who don't vote. Now imagine it on the state and local level, it's probably even less.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I agree it is a big deal but it is impossible to expect voters to present a picture id. It's just not realistic of feasible. There will always be someone without a picture ID. The current system of voting cards works. A real solution for this would be as practical as to demand proof of citizenship at the polling places.

IMHO let's open the discussion and establish a target - one that fits Americans from all walks of life. It's not something that should be used for grandstanding, as Rick Perry is doing.

So voting cards work

Help me understand. A card without a picture works fine and causes no delays or burdens.

Throwing a picture on it is a completely unworkable solution and would cause the whole voting process to fall into shambles.

Liberal Logic you got to love it, and I apologize to all liberals because this logic even defies that

[spookyturtle 9,466]

So voting cards work

Help me understand. A card without a picture works fine and causes no delays or burdens.

Throwing a picture on it is a completely unworkable solution and would cause the whole voting process to fall into shambles.

Liberal Logic you got to love it, and I apologize to all liberals because this logic even defies that

It's not easy for you and me being in the butt crack, sandwiched between the left and right cheeks. It get's might ripe in there.

[UncleBeer 244]

Well, this is enlightening. Let's call it the "margin of fraud":

“For whatever reason, when statewide races are decided by less than 1 point, Democrats win almost three-quarters of the time. When the margin opens to 1-2 points, that advantage dissipates, and the Democrats win only half the races.”

[unsmiley 111]

_{My idea would be to not only make the photo ID cards "free" (so those liberals cannot say that a segment of people can't afford them), but to actually pay them to acquire these cards. Even pay them for travel to and from the place of issuance. What then would be the lefty excuse against these cards???}

_{Yet I am sure they will come up with something nutty.}

Edited October 24, 2014 by unsmiley

[Rob L 3,811]

The state of Texas will provide a voter I'd card IF

you have Texas state DL, Id or concealed carry permit No other state will prove who you are

And

proof you are registered to vote in texas

and

you provide either

proof of citizenship in the for of passport or naturalization car

or

A certified birth certificate and another seconds form of id

As long as the names perfectly align and you haven't changed your