Supreme Court allows Texas voter ID law for now

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You're reference to voter ID in the UK is 100% irrelevant. You might as well have posted a story concerning the voter id laws in Mozambique. The subject at hand is voter ID laws in the U.S. not the UK. If you can't stay on topic, head over to the games forum.

I didn't respond to the silly argument that an ID would need to be forgery resistant like a passport, because that's just plain dumb. Right now, no ID is required. Any ID is better than no ID. Currently anyone can just register to vote with few questions asked. This is an invitation for voter fraud. A govt. issued identification is accepted as proof of identity for just about everything in the U.S. except travel outside of the U.S. where a passport is required. So more apples and oranges from you.

The Philippines requires 100% voter ID, that means the USA should also right ?

[Karee 4,190]

So if there are people don't have a state issued photo ID and there isn't one that they can get that is free of charge then the state would surely have to provide one. If not, them they are disenfranchising people who should be able to vote.

If the issue they want to solve is voter fraud then why would the solution not involve a photo ID programme that is resistant to fraud?

What is the point of that?

Texas Ids are resistant to fraud already. Have been since 2009.

New TX Drivers License: Designed to Stop FakesPosted: Jun 09, 2009 9:50 PM CST Updated: Jun 10, 2009 11:12 AM CST

A new generation of Texas driver's licenses are rolling off the machines in Austin, but there's more to them than just a cosmetic upgrade.

The latest driver's license makeover is less about the upgraded look and more about keeping your identity safe. As a bouncer in Amarillo, Todd Walker has seen his fair share of fake IDs. "I've seen as many as 15 in one night."

He's only seen a few of the new licenses so far, but he can already tell the new look will make spotting those fakes even easier. "The new design appears to have several features that will make it harder to copy." And that's exactly what they're designed to do. DPS Trooper Gabriel Medrano says, "The most current technology as far as security features go in the world. We even had some DPS officers go to England and look at some of their driver's license security features they have."

DPS can't release specifics on new hidden details for security reasons, but law enforcement says what your un-trained eye cannot see is keeping you safer from identity thieves. APD Sgt. Brent Barbee says, "Identities are stolen and used on fake IDs or parts of their identity, and that will result in a warrant being issued for someone who didn't do anything." Which means an innocent person could pay a very big price. "Even worse than somebody having to pay for a traffic ticket. It's somebody could wind up in jail."

TABC says the new features will make their jobs easier as well. Hank Blanchard says, "Gonna cut down on the number of offenses and it's gonna make it a lot harder for underage people to obtain alcohol illegally."

Not everyone needs a new license right away... Your old one is still valid until its expiration date.

Source: http://www.newschannel10.com/story/10506764/new-tx-drivers-license-designed-to-stop-fakes

[Karee 4,190]

The argument for passports is nothing more than argument against voter ID. When someone argues for passports, they know full well that it's cost prohibitive, and not only that, states don't issue passports. It's a desperate attempt find an argument against voter ID since there is no real argument against voter ID, other than wanting people to vote who shouldn't be voting.

[JohnR! 5,495]

As you said yourself, 'better safe than sorry'.

If you are really serious about voter fraud - a non existent issue, btw - the only picture ID that can serve as proof of citizenship is a valid US passport.

LPRs and undocumented immigrants alike may have valid DLs, SSN, and any number of other picture IDs, none of which should qualify them to vote for none of these can be used as proof of citizenship.

It's really not that complicated at all to expose the hypocrisy that's behind these populist measures. The sole purpose of these laws is to prevent groups of Americans from voting and to ensure the Teas and they GOP minions can stuff the ballots - their only chance to get anywhere near a public office lately.

The argument for passports is nothing more than argument against voter ID. When someone argues for passports, they know full well that it's cost prohibitive, and not only that, states don't issue passports. It's a desperate attempt find an argument against voter ID since there is no real argument against voter ID, other than wanting people to vote who shouldn't be voting.

[UncleBeer 244]

The sole purpose of these laws is to prevent groups of Americans from voting and to ensure the Teas and they GOP minions can stuff the ballots -

Of course. Racism is the only possible explanation.

[Karee 4,190]

As you said yourself, 'better safe than sorry'.

If you are really serious about voter fraud - a non existent issue, btw - the only picture ID that can serve as proof of citizenship is a valid US passport.

LPRs and undocumented immigrants alike may have valid DLs, SSN, and any number of other picture IDs, none of which should qualify them to vote for none of these can be used as proof of citizenship.

It's really not that complicated at all to expose the hypocrisy that's behind these populist measures. The sole purpose of these laws is to prevent groups of Americans from voting and to ensure the Teas and they GOP minions can stuff the ballots - their only chance to get anywhere near a public office lately.

They can easily put voter eligibility/ citizenship status etc. on state IDs. In fact in a lot of states, people only get driver's licenses for as long as their visa is valid. I've seen folks here complaining that they went to get a state ID while on a K-1 and it was only valid as long as their immigration status.

The only hypocrisy, is people that come up with off the wall reasons for not having an ID, when in reality they want people voting that shouldn't be. There's no other explanation. I don't think I've ever met someone that didn't have an ID. If people like that exist, I doubt they're voting anyway. I'm sure a poster will cite some obscure one off case of some 90 year old lady that doesn't have an ID. In the end, Texas has made provisions to get these folks IDs free of charge. They've also setup programs to go on the road to rural areas etc. to make sure folks that want an ID, can get one without traveling long distances.

As to your statement about the GOP stuffing ballots, please post some evidence. I'm sure you don't have any credible evidence though, as usual. Or maybe it's another failed attempt at humor on your part.

[Merle 458]

The sole purpose of these laws is to prevent groups of Americans from voting and to ensure the Teas and they GOP minions can stuff the ballots - their only chance to get anywhere near a public office lately.

I don't know if you pay much attention to politics but the House of Representatives is 234 to 201 with the favor going to the Republicans. I thought denial was a river in Egypt. Guess I was wrong.

[Karee 4,190]

Obama is doing to more to advance the Republican party than any ballot box stuffing could ever do. Most Democrat candidates in close races are doing everything they can to distance themselves from him.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Obama is doing to more to advance the Republican party than any ballot box stuffing could ever do. Most Democrat candidates in close races are doing everything they can to distance themselves from him.

Yep, just like we had back in 08 when the Republican's were distancing themselves from Bush. History tends to repeat itself. Bush made it a shoo in for the Dem's and now Obama is doing the same for the GOP. And We The People, get fvcked as usual.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Whatever the case, it really doesn't prove nor disprove the ever present yet elusive 'voter fraud' specter does it? Unless of course, you're implying the advantage you point out was achieved through ballot stuffing.

I don't know if you pay much attention to politics but the House of Representatives is 234 to 201 with the favor going to the Republicans. I thought denial was a river in Egypt. Guess I was wrong.

Edited October 24, 2014 by JohnR!

[JohnR! 5,495]

Be as it may, it does not provide evidence one way or another to further the discussion about voter fraud.

Obama is doing to more to advance the Republican party than any ballot box stuffing could ever do. Most Democrat candidates in close races are doing everything they can to distance themselves from him.

Edited October 24, 2014 by JohnR!

[Karee 4,190]

Yep, just like we had back in 08 when the Republican's were distancing themselves from Bush. History tends to repeat itself. Bush made it a shoo in for the Dem's and now Obama is doing the same for the GOP. And We The People, get fvcked as usual.

No doubt. More religious nuts in congress. Just what we need. I personally think a do nothing congress is a good thing for the most part. I understand they have to pass budgets etc. but the last thing we need is more laws written by lobbyists and passed by alleged representatives of the people.

Be as it may, it does not provide evidence one way or another to further the discussion about voter fraud.

Neither does posting false claims about republicans stuffing ballot boxes.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Which is on a par with posting false claims to the existence of widespread voter fraud.

QED.

I told you it was really not all that complicated.

Neither does posting false claims about republicans stuffing ballot boxes.

Edited October 24, 2014 by JohnR!

[Karee 4,190]

Which is on a par with posting false claims to the existence of widespread voter fraud.

QED.

I told you it was really not all that complicated.

Please point out where I (or anyone else for that matter) have claimed that there is widespread voter fraud in this thread. I'm sure I'll be waiting a long time for your response, or you'll just post a couple cute smiley faces and a nonsensical post and think you've made a point, when you really haven't.

You are right about it not being complicated though. Show an ID and you can vote. Not complicated at all.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

IMO, I don't think that voter fraud has any real impact on elections, but that is no justification to make it easy to happen. If I go into a bank and the teller doesn't know me, I have to show my ID to make a withdrawal, etc. Certain transactions require an ID regardless if the person knows you or not, it is bank protocol. I think voting is important enough that it's not a big deal to show an ID.