back ground checks on beneficiaries

[Girl from Celebes 588]

I appreciate the input. I am just trying to navigate this like everybody else. Interestingly, reading through the reviews of the consulate in Bogota, it seems like a pretty reasonable and straight forward process there, and not much of an issue navigating through there.. yes i am probably making it too hard. I work for the feds, and we get bogged down in stuff sometimes, until somebody speaks up and says, "if its not a material issue, don't worry about it." and then we define material, such as what form, and the completeness of information requested .. So, yes, the bureaucracy, looking at it from a different angle, is a bit overwhelming.. I am sure, as information starts to flow, it will smooth out in my mind.

Thanks for the perspective, I appreciate it.

My husband is in the military - as far as I remember it is a federal government as well-. I believe the military is more strict than any other federal agencies. I know how strict they are and even my husband needs a permission to travel to my country just to attend my interview. Let alone he had to do many trainings including the security training just for one visit. I know how complicated to deal with the military. Guess what? My husband and I am now are happy together. Have you heard some people said, "Sometimes it is only worst in your mind rather than in reality"?. It is.

You wanted to well-prepared which is understandable. I have been on VJ over 3 years and my husband filed I-129F more than a year ago. I spent almost everyday on VJ to learn the whole process because I knew it won't be easy. But if you take light this and enjoy the process you will be happy and free-stress for this matter that already stressful.

[JoelyLeidy 3]

I believe a lot of this " wind " is blowing in the wrong direction. Your understanding of notaries and when they are required is flawed. The translations for example do not require a notary. Nothing wrong with paying one but there is no reason to do it.

Your actual question is about this womens job. All she has to do is list that job. The embassy isn't going to be concerned about one lonely hairdresser in some remote village.

You have told us in may forms that Colombia isn't Mexico or the USA ect until you have worn the point out even though every person here didn't need you to explain it. Its just more wind.

Accepting the fact that you are correct about the above what makes you so concerned about preparing for an event in a country you say you understand better than most that wont occur? Do you have any info from any source that causes this concern? Members here have said that we don't see this problem in cases from that country.

I am not here to argue with anybody, i simply asked a question..that is it.. maybe this isn't the best or welcomed place for advice.. sorry for occupying your time.

thank you

My husband is in the military - as far as I remember it is a federal government as well-. I believe the military is more strict than any other federal agencies. I know how strict they are and even my husband needs a permission to travel to my country just to attend my interview. Let alone he had to do many trainings including the security training just for one visit. I know how complicated to deal with the military. Guess what? My husband and I am now are happy together. Have you heard some people said, "Sometimes it is only worst in your mind rather than in reality"?. It is.

You wanted to well-prepared which is understandable. I have been on VJ over 3 years and my husband filed I-129F more than a year ago. I spent almost everyday on VJ to learn the whole process because I knew it won't be easy. But if you take light this and enjoy the process you will be happy and free-stress for this matter that already stressful.

Thanks,i appreciate it

[Ning 619]

I am not here to argue with anybody, i simply asked a question..that is it.. maybe this isn't the best or welcomed place for advice.. sorry for occupying your time.

thank you

Thanks,i appreciate it

I don't see it as an argument. You have had your question answered several times but want to insert a lot of windy info yourself that has nothing to do with your question simply in an effort to be right. You remind me of why these visas take so long because here we see an example of a U S government professional bureaucrat spending incredible time on something other than what is required.

No need to apologize for how I use my time. I am here to help just as the other members are. Its up to you how you want to perceive that effort.

Good luck in your quest.

[JoelyLeidy 3]

I don't see it as an argument. You have had your question answered several times but want to insert a lot of windy info yourself that has nothing to do with your question simply in an effort to be right. You remind me of why these visas take so long because here we see an example of a U S government professional bureaucrat spending incredible time on something other than what is required.

No need to apologize for how I use my time. I am here to help just as the other members are. Its up to you how you want to perceive that effort.

Good luck in your quest.

thanks..

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

OP, your concerns are very valid. Someone that went through the process without a hitch will tell you that you are over analysing this.

Someone, like myself who had to endure AP for 16 months and then experienced a denial and had to start all over again ( 5 year relationship )

totally understands your concern and worries. Been there, done that, have the T shirt, talking from experience.

We are a genuine cople and truly love each other.

This journey has been an extreme hardship financially and emotionally. My savings are depleted and my health took a turn for the worse.

The US is standard in procedure to an extent, but it really comes down to the CO on that particular day and what his/her "hunches" are about

your relationship. We had all paperwork in order and submitted #12 of evidence attesting to our bona fide relationship and still got denied.

For what reason you may ask ?

I confronted the CO personally and all I got was that she just had a " gut feeling" and that she thought our future marriage would
"not be a lasting one." When asked why and what her factual reasons were based on, she just shrugged her shoulders, there are none.

My point is even if you have this or that notarized and every t crossed and every i dotted, it comes down to what is in the head and "gut feeling"

of your CO and how he/she views your whole relationship. This can be an honest evaluation or it can be based on personal bias and assumptions

and speculations.

Unfortunately we have no recourse and there are no checks and balances, the CO has the discriminatory authority to either make that day a

happy one or a day from hell.

My advice based on hardship experience with AP nonsense is to do what you feel you have to do but also know that overcompensating for

something may be viewed as suspicious by the CO and it may then cause them to start looking deeper.

Too much as well as too little can both be risky. It is up to you to find that balance that you are comfortable with after doing your research

and asking for feed back here. It sounds like wind to some but I understand the storm that was brewing and that we had to walk through all too well.

I wish you the best for your journey !

[Ning 619]

not concerned... curious of this process.. i help support her, when she needs it and into the future while we navigate this journey together, and understanding the process helps plan for the future.. Colombia isn't the USA.. here, information is pretty much standardized and readily available, like where to get birth records, background information... etc.. In developing countries, its not quite that easy, like all long form birth certificates are kept with the local notary that has greater authority than US notaries, and that needs to be tracked down, from 25 years ago, if you can even find the notary, (thanks be to God, its listed on the Birth cert. and they still exist).. Rules change depending on the department, (state) in which a person lives, and even from municipality to municipality, for record keeping and a lot of other civil processes. So, what would be quite simple here, in the States, can become quite burdensome and bureaucratic in other countries. A lot of that burden is the US Govt. is quite process oriented and driven by standardized rules (administrative law), that dictate how they operate. Even though consulate staff operate in host countries, its doesn't relieve them of these rules and law, since their authority in which they operate is granted by congress, and regulations that interprets said laws. We have rules of due process, which isn't granted to visa applicants, but they are entitled to have a consulate operate under the authority that was granted to them, not the consulate staff ride roughshod over the whole process, how they want, in a host country. It is doubtful that Bankok's consulate operates much differently than another consulate, except where there was higher risk of violating immigration law, but it is doubtful that they deviate much, through local standard operating procedures. That is why I made the comment who cares if something is listed as a bar or restaurant, when working in either is legal in the USA?. What is more important, would be dates of employment and job description verified through an official call to the business. That is why I asked about a letter from her employer stating dates of employment, and a simple job description, would help, given remoteness, in relation to Bogota? If its a data base check, then why go through the trouble and have an employer write up a letter? However, if its more investigatory, it would seem beneficial. If an agency has a back log of files, anything to move the process along would be helpful. Since a lot of the migration issues, and visitor visa issues came up was after 911, it would be quite logical to consider that is what they would be focused on, but not being through this whole K-1 process before 911 (navigated the CR-1process without problems), I figure the more information the better. When something here can take hours or a couple of days, it can tack on months in developing nations, simply not knowing where to get it. ... out of curiosity, we were interested so we can plan for the long haul through an AP, or if its a quick and dirty data base check for criminal and terrorist ties? Even prostitution is hard to prove, unless its a legal business in the host country and records are kept, but in countries where it is illegal, then it becomes illicit and a negative response on an application would be hard to prove. Silence would become the beneficiary's best friend. However, as the beneficiary, it would be an issue if they listed unemployed for 5 years, because the first thought would be, " how does this person support them self?" It is doubtful that a host country would allow the US government to access its tax records for employment checks, or any other domestic and civil matter, for that matter, if there is no criminal complaint, just to satisfy its application process for visa issuance. That is why countries have Sovereignty laws, where they don't subjugate its citizens to another country's rule of law; that view of thinking left with the waning dominance of a colonization. If the host country has mutual need for information, then it is granted, If it is beneficial to the host country, as is the case of terrorism, they would disclose it right away. if not Then one has to look at treaties, like tax treaties, for specific issues. If there is no specific treaty, then you wait for consulate staff to visit the employer. The employer chooses to disclose or not disclose.

That is the long winded answer, why ask this question.

Then, may i ask, why do we have to go to Primera Notary to get a copy of her long form birth certificate? Its because that is the notary which it was recorded. The Notaries have shelves of books with these records. Mexico is not Colombia, which is not the USA.

This is where the wind began by the O P s admission.

OP, your concerns are very valid. Someone that went through the process without a hitch will tell you that you are over analysing this.

Someone, like myself who had to endure AP for 16 months and then experienced a denial and had to start all over again ( 5 year relationship )

totally understands your concern and worries. Been there, done that, have the T shirt, talking from experience.

We are a genuine cople and truly love each other.

This journey has been an extreme hardship financially and emotionally. My savings are depleted and my health took a turn for the worse.

The US is standard in procedure to an extent, but it really comes down to the CO on that particular day and what his/her "hunches" are about

your relationship. We had all paperwork in order and submitted #12 of evidence attesting to our bona fide relationship and still got denied.

For what reason you may ask ?

I confronted the CO personally and all I got was that she just had a " gut feeling" and that she thought our future marriage would

"not be a lasting one." When asked why and what her factual reasons were based on, she just shrugged her shoulders, there are none.

My point is even if you have this or that notarized and every t crossed and every i dotted, it comes down to what is in the head and "gut feeling"

of your CO and how he/she views your whole relationship. This can be an honest evaluation or it can be based on personal bias and assumptions

and speculations.

Unfortunately we have no recourse and there are no checks and balances, the CO has the discriminatory authority to either make that day a

happy one or a day from hell.

My advice based on hardship experience with AP nonsense is to do what you feel you have to do but also know that overcompensating for

something may be viewed as suspicious by the CO and it may then cause them to start looking deeper.

Too much as well as too little can both be risky. It is up to you to find that balance that you are comfortable with after doing your research

and asking for feed back here. It sounds like wind to some but I understand the storm that was brewing and that we had to walk through all too well.

I wish you the best for your journey !

You aren't the only one that went on a long journey. This isn't about his relationship at all.

The O P hasn't been put in AP of course just fears some lengthy investigation by some unknown entity at the embassy into his fiancées job.

He simply wants to know what he can do to present something to the embassy to offset their efforts into the unknown. Basically he is worried about something that wont even come up in this type of case.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

This is where the wind began by the O P s admission.

You aren't the only one that went on a long journey. This isn't about his relationship at all.

The O P hasn't been put in AP of course just fears some lengthy investigation by some unknown entity at the embassy into his fiancées job.

He simply wants to know what he can do to present something to the embassy to offset their efforts into the unknown. Basically he is worried about something that wont even come up in this type of case.

It is you that is missing the core point of his concern.

Yes, it is about his relationship and the financial hardship it may cause him if he goes into AP due to the financial support for her.

Read carefully. What will or will not come up in "this type of case" is definitely not something you will determine.

I never said I was the only one on a long journey. Loose the chip on your shoulder.

Your defensive tone is not necessary.

[Ning 619]

Does anybody know what exactly is involved with the back ground check of the beneficiary? Besides police reports and finger prints through the FBI etc, do they go back and check employment and education of the beneficiary? Do they go back and check the addresses for places she has lived? She doesn't have any criminal back ground or even a ticket for anything. (how bad can it get on a moto ? ). We were curious if some dude from the embassy is going to call or visit past employers or landlords?

How do you get relationship fears out of this or any of the other junk you are adding into the situation? Read carefully?

Chip? You better read your own stuff and be glad there are TOS to worry about here rather than your over inflated sense of your self.

I didn't say you were the only one. I said it wasn't about just your experience which has nothing to do with is question.

As you may be able to see his question is about some dude calling or visiting employers or landlords not his relationship.

Now try to concentrate on the actual question rather than attempting to lecture me. Your not qualified to do so.

It is you that is missing the core point of his concern.

Yes, it is about his relationship and the financial hardship it may cause him if he goes into AP due to the financial support for her.

Read carefully. What will or will not come up in "this type of case" is definitely not something you will determine.

I never said I was the only one on a long journey. Loose the chip on your shoulder.

Your defensive tone is not necessary.

[Pinkrlion 2,713]

An article on how overwhelmed and backlogged the system is :

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/02/10/27280/homeland-security-easing-immigrant.html

That policy has already been in place for years.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

That policy has already been in place for years.

Yes. since about 6 years ago, I am aware of it but used this article to show what kind of backlogging issues have existed for years and still exist.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

How do you get relationship fears out of this or any of the other junk you are adding into the situation? Read carefully?

Chip? You better read your own stuff and be glad there are TOS to worry about here rather than your over inflated sense of your self.

I didn't say you were the only one. I said it wasn't about just your experience which has nothing to do with is question.

As you may be able to see his question is about some dude calling or visiting employers or landlords not his relationship.

Now try to concentrate on the actual question rather than attempting to lecture me. Your not qualified to do so.

1. OP wrote this : i help support her, when she needs it and into the future while we navigate this journey together, and understanding the process helps plan for the future.

2. You should be concerned with TOS yourself.

3. Yes you did say exactly this : You aren't the only one that went on a long journey. Word for word.

No need to backpaddle. My comment was directed to the OP and not you by the way.

I don't have to ask you for permission to comment about a relevant issue as I perceive it and as it may impact his future.

I have not lectured you, however you addressed me first and I responded to you.

I won't even begin to tell you what you are not qualified to say to me.

You are off topic with your continued comments to me and derailing the thread.

There are other aspects that OP addressed and I am free to respond to it wether you like it or not.

I do not wish to engage further with your off beat comments to me.

Focus on responding to the OP, not me please.

[Ning 619]

1. OP wrote this : i help support her, when she needs it and into the future while we navigate this journey together, and understanding the process helps plan for the future.

2. You should be concerned with TOS yourself.

3. Yes you did say exactly this : You aren't the only one that went on a long journey. Word for word.

No need to backpaddle. My comment was directed to the OP and not you by the way.

I don't have to ask you for permission to comment about a relevant issue as I perceive it and as it may impact his future.

I have not lectured you, however you addressed me first and I responded to you.

I won't even begin to tell you what you are not qualified to say to me.

You are off topic with your continued comments to me and derailing the thread.

There are other aspects that OP addressed and I am free to respond to it wether you like it or not.

I do not wish to engage further with your off beat comments to me.

Focus on responding to the OP, not me please.

# 1 Yes but what does that have to do with his relationship which was never part of his question?

# 2 I am concerned which is why I have to restrain myself about what you say and who you think you are.

# 3 I certainly did say exactly that. That involves many people not you. Word for word.

I didn't say you need to ask my permission nor your ability to perceive things. I don't care what you have to say until you involve me. If you don't care to engage then don't.

Read your last sentence over and over until you understand what the problem is. Maybe this is the problem after all; your ability to stay on topic. Relationships?

Edited October 12, 2014 by Ning

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

# 1 Yes but what does that have to do with his relationship which was never part of his question?

# 2 I am concerned which is why I have to restrain myself about what you say and who you think you are.

# 3 I certainly did say exactly that. That involves many people not you. Word for word.

I didn't say you need to ask my permission nor your ability to perceive things. I don't care what you have to say until you involve me. If you don't care to engage then don't.

Read your last sentence over and over until you understand what the problem is. Maybe this is the problem after all; your ability to stay on topic. Relationships?

1. I explained that. I can't help your comprehension issues neither will I repeat myself.

2. Ditto with whipped cream on top.

3. Your comment was directed at me. Glad you now changed your stance from "I did not say that" to "I certainly did say that". Don't confuse yourself.

4. YOU instigated with your first comment to me. Stop instigating and provoking.

You have a rude manner about yourself that reflects in your comments.

If I want to encourage the OP because of his concern about the future and possible AP then butt out

if you don't like it and keep scrolling and focus on one of the other questions he raised but hell will freeze over before you think you can

control or bully me with how I answer any post.

You are so wrapped up in staying on focus and what it has to do with relationship but you have no problem to keep on derailing this thread

with nonsense directed towards me.

Since when can I not address ANY issue mentioned by the OP (future of relationship / support / AP that is not in the form of a question,

are you the self proclaimed comment sceener or just on control patrol ?

I suggest if you have anything else to say to me take it to a PM as that would be the correct etiquette or restrain yourself a little better and

LET IT GO.

[Ning 619]

1. I explained that. I can't help your comprehension issues neither will I repeat myself.

2. Ditto with whipped cream on top.

3. Your comment was directed at me. Glad you now changed your stance from "I did not say that" to "I certainly did say that". Don't confuse yourself.

4. YOU instigated with your first comment to me. Stop instigating and provoking.

You have a rude manner about yourself that reflects in your comments.

If I want to encourage the OP because of his concern about the future and possible AP then butt out

if you don't like it and keep scrolling and focus on one of the other questions he raised but hell will freeze over before you think you can

control or bully me with how I answer any post.

You are so wrapped up in staying on focus and what it has to do with relationship but you have no problem to keep on derailing this thread

with nonsense directed towards me.

Since when can I not address ANY issue mentioned by the OP (future of relationship / support / AP that is not in the form of a question,

are you the self proclaimed comment sceener or just on control patrol ?

I suggest if you have anything else to say to me take it to a PM as that would be the correct etiquette or restrain yourself a little better and

LET IT GO.

KMA sweetheart.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

KMA sweetheart.

Likewise.