Toxins, Preservatives and Adjuvants Found in Vaccines Linked to Neurological Defects

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

If a child wants to enter the US school system they have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated. There are not millions of undocumented children rattling around without the correct vaccinations. Believe it or not, most countries have a vaccination program for children and most parents in areas that are prone to disease will in fact take advantage of these programs as they are aware of the risks of not doing so. If the children aren't already vaccinated, they are more likely to get them vaccinated once they are in the US, they know the advantages of vaccination and the difficulty of entering the school system if they are not.

So you're postulating that all those immigrant kids over the past year got all their shots between arriving illegally and being released with a promise to report for deportation???

[Curmudgeon 227]

So you're postulating that all those immigrant kids over the past year got all their shots between arriving illegally and being released with a promise to report for deportation???

No, I am suggesting that most will be routinely vaccinated in their country of origin because most children in most countries are vaccinated these days, despite what you seem to believe. I am moreover suggesting that once they are in the US, it would be expedient to vaccinate any children that aren't vaccinated, if you don't have documents you aren't going to go around drawing attention to yourself by not doing what is routinely required to enter into the US school system. I doubt many undocumented migrant children have parents that send their kids into the system with letters explaining that they don't have vaccinations based on religious convictions that preclude their use.

[sandinista! 1,816]

World Bank statistics indicate that some of the countries that the kids are traveling from actually have higher vaccination rates than the United States. The U.S. has a 92 percent vaccination rate for measles. Mexico vaccinates 99 percent of its children; Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras all have a 93 percent vaccination rate.

In fact, many of the children and adults are carrying their vaccination cards with them, says Dr. Martin Garza, a Texas pediatrician who is caring for immigrants in McAllen, Texas. They are up to date in their countries, Garza told NBC News. This is not the poorest of the poor kids that we are seeing. In fact, they are what might be described as middle class. They have had medical care. They have been vaccinated.

He said that while some of the kids are sick, its nothing unusual.

The illnesses are pretty much what I see on a daily basis at my regular office, Garza said. They have common colds and other respiratory infections that kids get every day, stomach pain and constipation or diarrhea. Some of it might come from the fact that they havent had a really good meal for months and then we suddenly feed them one, he said.

Garza said he has not seen a case of active tuberculosis. People can be infected latently, meaning they don't show symptoms, but they also will not spread TB if they are infected in that way.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/vectors-or-victims-docs-slam-rumors-migrants-carry-disease-n152216

[sandinista! 1,816]

No, I am suggesting that most will be routinely vaccinated in their country of origin because most children in most countries are vaccinated these days, despite what you seem to believe. I am moreover suggesting that once they are in the US, it would be expedient to vaccinate any children that aren't vaccinated, if you don't have documents you aren't going to go around drawing attention to yourself by not doing what is routinely required to enter into the US school system. I doubt many undocumented migrant children have parents that send their kids into the system with letters explaining that they don't have vaccinations based on religious convictions that preclude their use.

If anything immigrant kids are more at risk in southern California than at home, some parts of southern California have worse vaccination rates than Chad.

The exemptions are too easy to get, and their abuse should have immediate and painful financial consequences.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/vectors-or-victims-docs-slam-rumors-migrants-carry-disease-n152216

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/822435

That is all great cept it just ain't so

Mexico and Central America has almost a 6 fold greater TB rate. All otehr immigrants are required to have a negative TB test to enter the country.

A few facts

Foreign-born persons had a 13 times greater TB incidence than US-born persons and accounted for 64.6% of TB cases in 2013.

More than half of these cases originated from 5 countries: Mexico (20.0% of cases [n = 1233]), the Philippines (12.6% of cases [n = 776]), India (8.0% of cases [n = 495]), Vietnam (7.4% of cases [n = 454]), and China (6.1% of cases [n = 377]).

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

If anything immigrant kids are more at risk in southern California than at home, some parts of southern California have worse vaccination rates than Chad.

The exemptions are too easy to get, and their abuse should have immediate and painful financial consequences.

Worse vaccination rates than CHAD ?

Let's just pick Measles.. so much data out there

Chad has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the world if not the lowest at 59%. The USA comes in at 91%

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.IMM.MEAS/countries

[decocker 7,198]

If that is the case, then our unvaccinated American children are now faced with an even higher chance of sickness. I don't know about your area of the US, but where I live if your child's shots are not up to date, they're staying home from school until they are.

public school is not the only option, and exemptions are possible. i don't know that much about exemptions as far as the law, but i know of seven children under the age of six (in my extended family) who are not vaccinated and are homeschooled so no, you don't have to vaccinate your kids.

[decocker 7,198]

Let me sum this up

I don't have a clue, but if there are some natural born Americans that are not vaccinated anywhere in the US, then it makes it ok, to bring many many 1000's of un-vaccinated kids into the US, in direction violation of US immigration law. Often from places with high rates of communicable diseases such as TB.

Funny , my wife had to have a negative TB test along with a host of immunizations in order to migrate here.

BTW Good Morning Val, hope you are well today or tonight. My time is really upside down right now. It's 10:00 Monday Am here

dude. robby999 sounded worried, i was trying to assure him that he has more to be worried about than just the unvaccinated kids from elsewhere. my husband had to get a couple shots to come here too.

Close, but no cigar. Said un-vaccinated kids in the US are not exposed to nearly the same amount of wicked diseases that are present in 2nd and 3rd world countries. Bringing all those kids in from outside and not vaccinating them (my supposition based on the timelines) is a much higher risk than un-vaccinated American kids.

oh. well so glad i don't have to worry about unvaccinated kids in the us anymore, since we're not exposed to anything here in our american bubble.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

dude. robby999 sounded worried, i was trying to assure him that he has more to be worried about than just the unvaccinated kids from elsewhere. my husband had to get a couple shots to come here too.

oh. well so glad i don't have to worry about unvaccinated kids in the us anymore, since we're not exposed to anything here in our american bubble.

Chick I did see an article, about a bunch of idiotic rich people not vaccination their kids, because they buy some of that Hollywood insanity

[Karee 4,191]

Chick I did see an article, about a bunch of idiotic rich people not vaccination their kids, because they buy some of that Hollywood insanity

Yeah seems a lot of people are getting their medical advice from former Playboy centerfolds.

[decocker 7,198]

Chick I did see an article, about a bunch of idiotic rich people not vaccination their kids, because they buy some of that Hollywood insanity

yeah there's that group but there's other antivaxxers within the homeschooling community - comprised of both religious exceptioners and yuppie/crunchy types.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Close, but no cigar. Said un-vaccinated kids in the US are not exposed to nearly the same amount of wicked diseases that are present in 2nd and 3rd world countries. Bringing all those kids in from outside and not vaccinating them (my supposition based on the timelines) is a much higher risk than un-vaccinated American kids.

Here's the catch 22. Current immigration law requiring vaccination applies specifically to people entering as legal immigrants or those who will be adjusting status (ie. those expecting to remain permanently in the US). It does not apply to non-immigrant status or those without legal status.

[sandinista! 1,816]

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/822435

That is all great cept it just ain't so

Mexico and Central America has almost a 6 fold greater TB rate. All otehr immigrants are required to have a negative TB test to enter the country.

A few facts

Foreign-born persons had a 13 times greater TB incidence than US-born persons and accounted for 64.6% of TB cases in 2013.

More than half of these cases originated from 5 countries: Mexico (20.0% of cases [n = 1233]), the Philippines (12.6% of cases [n = 776]), India (8.0% of cases [n = 495]), Vietnam (7.4% of cases [n = 454]), and China (6.1% of cases [n = 377]).

Your link is behind a pay/membership wall. Regardless, discussion of endemic cases where these kids are from doesn't trump the actual Dr here in the US who has examined them and cleared them. He has no reason to lowball TB. The kids also received their needed vaccines, and many had their vaccine records on them. Their drs have not found a majority of them to be undervaccinated.

Also, details. No one made country to country comparisons. There are unvaccinated pockets in the U.S. no one said anything about the country as a whole.

Religious exemptions, true ones are hard to get an accurate number on, in many places it's the only non medical exemption allowed so people will claim it.

[Tourseasia 5]

Nobody denies that there are risks. There are also risks from not getting vaccinated.

More than 2 million children under the age of 5 die every year from diseases that would have been preventable if vaccines were available. If all of them had received vaccinations, around 20 or so would have suffered from GBS. Sixteen of those twenty would have fully recovered.

Then people that immigrate that aren't children should have the option to opt out of vaccinations

[Tourseasia 5]

i don't know the answer to your question about the immigrant children, but i can tell you that there are enough unvaccinated american children to pose the same threat.

"unvaccinated american children to pose the same threat."

Mysterious EV-D68: Vaccinated children could be more vulnerable

http://www.inquisitr.com/1464195/mysterious-ev-d68-vaccinated-children-could-be-more-vulnerable/

Buyer beware! 85% of those contracting measles in California are fully vaccinated

http://www.naturalblaze.com/2014/06/california-measles-85-of-those.html