Obama's election did not improve race relations

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

No I don't. However, as I've stated about 100 times here, continually setting double standards only ensures that they will never be treated the same. Can't have it both ways.

I don't think there should be a double standard either. But if you look at it, everybody knows if the colors were reversed, Obama wouldn't have to speak on it, because GZ would have been in jail. There's no way on God's green earth this situation would have gone down and GZ would be able to claim self defense on killing a white teenager he chased until the kid confronted him. If he had a criminal record for DV and the other crimes he committed, he'd be called a violent thug.

Face it, race affects how we look at people as a whole. It's the main reason why GZ will never be called a criminal(even though he has a record) and TM will always be referred to as the local criminal or hoodlum(he doesn't have a record).

[decocker 7,198]

It's a double standard plain and simple. You have the president of the U.S. coming out and making a statement in support of of a U.S. citizen based on that person's race. If a white U.S. president did that, he would be called a racist. Being the president, he should be sending a message about racial equality. With that statement, he did the opposite. You have no issue with it, because it fits your agenda. I get it. Still doesn't make it right.

Not only that, he made the statement prior to all the facts coming to light at a trial. He must have slept through most of his classes at Harvard Law.

Strike two. If a white president came out and made a comment like Obama did about a person's race, that comment would be labelled racist, as it should be.

and it would be racist, because white people do not face profiling in the manner that black people do in this country and profiling was at the root of the tm/gz issue. you don't have a problem with obama being a black president as long as he does not own his race. if he believes that profiling is an issue for black america and he can empathize with that why shouldn't he say he can relate?

i'd love to know what you think my agenda is. that's funny.

strikes? please. like i said, white presidents are not going to be held to the racial standards that a black presidentis apprently held to. if a white president came out and said something like that, we'd have their head examined because there would be NO REASON for a white president to say such a thing. the white american experience and the black american experience are two very different things. i'm sorry that's 'unfair' to you, but it's reality.

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[Rob L 3,811]

I don't think we will have another black president for a while. Even though I don't think Obama did horrible, since he didn't cure world hunger or usher in a new peace and tranquility around the world, any other candidates will be judged on that.

Didn't usher in a new world order? This undermining my mother in laws view that the president is the antichrist..he better get moving

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

and it would be racist, because white people do not face profiling in the manner that black people do in this country and profiling was at the root of the tm/gz issue. you don't have a problem with obama being a black president as long as he does not own his race. if he believes that profiling is an issue for black america and he can empathize with that why shouldn't he say he can relate?

i'd love to know what you think my agenda is. that's funny.

strikes? please. like i said, white presidents are not going to be held to the racial standards that a black president. if a white president came out and said something like that, we'd have their head examined because there would be NO REASON for a white president to say such a thing. the white american experience and the black american experience are two very different things. i'm sorry that's 'unfair' to you, but it's reality.

It always has been. Even before the rise in crime. There's always been a reason...

Didn't usher in a new world order? This undermining my mother in laws view that the president is the antichrist..he better get moving

He's not destroying the world fast enough. I'll pass him the memo.

When I retire, I get a letter signed by him. I'm going to post it here, just to rile folks up.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Here's a simple question. Do you think black people and white people here in America are treated the same?

I don't know Did you have any specific black or white people in mind, Are you saying all black people are just alike? I thought you hated it when people did that, or is it ok when it makes the race card glide off the fingers.

P Diddy's son got a 360,000 dollar Maybach for his 16th Birthday. So I could say he probably has a different experience than the one I grew up with. So in this case yes, they are different

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[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I don't know Did you have any specific black or white people in mind, Are you saying all black people are just alike? I thought you hated it when people did that, or is it ok when it makes the race card glide off the fingers.

P Diddy's son got a 360,000 dollar Maybach for his 16th Birthday. So I could say he probably has a different experience than the one I grew up with. So in this case yes, they are different

You must have missed my post.

If GZ/TM happened, and TM was a white teenager with the same incidents and GZ was a black man with the same criminal record, do you honestly think he would have been able to claim SD and not be arrested?

[Karee 4,190]

If young white men had a 1 in 3 chance they would incarcerated in their life time and 1 in 15 white males were currently in prison/jail, would we expect the president to spend some time and political capital addressing the issue?

Apples and Oranges. it's one thing to speak about black folks having a higher incarceration rate than other races. It's something entirely different to comment on specific cases where the justice system hasn't even had a say in it based on the race of the offender (Trayvon Martin)

I don't think there should be a double standard either. But if you look at it, everybody knows if the colors were reversed, Obama wouldn't have to speak on it, because GZ would have been in jail. There's no way on God's green earth this situation would have gone down and GZ would be able to claim self defense on killing a white teenager he chased until the kid confronted him. If he had a criminal record for DV and the other crimes he committed, he'd be called a violent thug.

Face it, race affects how we look at people as a whole. It's the main reason why GZ will never be called a criminal(even though he has a record) and TM will always be referred to as the local criminal or hoodlum(he doesn't have a record).

TM doesn't have a record because he's was 17. 17 year olds haven't had much of a chance to have a record. It seems he was well on his way with some of the stories that came out about his school suspensions, thefts, etc.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Apples and Oranges. it's one thing to speak about black folks having a higher incarceration rate than other races. It's something entirely different to comment on specific cases where the justice system hasn't even had a say in it based on the race of the offender (Trayvon Martin)

TM doesn't have a record because he's was 17. 17 year olds haven't had much of a chance to have a record. It seems he was well on his way with some of the stories that came out about his school suspensions, thefts, etc.

And yet GZ, who had a record of resisting arrest, assault of a police officer, and 2 separate incident of DV(back then, he's got what, 2 more now) for a total of 4 isn't called a criminal. Not only is he not called that, he's routinely defended by people who have take issues with black people defending TM in the exact same manner.

Talk about a double standard.

[Karee 4,190]

and it would be racist, because white people do not face profiling in the manner that black people do in this country and profiling was at the root of the tm/gz issue. you don't have a problem with obama being a black president as long as he does not own his race. if he believes that profiling is an issue for black america and he can empathize with that why shouldn't he say he can relate?

i'd love to know what you think my agenda is. that's funny.

strikes? please. like i said, white presidents are not going to be held to the racial standards that a black presidentis apprently held to. if a white president came out and said something like that, we'd have their head examined because there would be NO REASON for a white president to say such a thing. the white american experience and the black american experience are two very different things. i'm sorry that's 'unfair' to you, but it's reality.

Again double standard. As long as the double standards are accepted as the norm, things will continue on as they have been. Folks can keep blaming their problems on racism, and folks like you will be there to tell them how bad they have it because of their race. The govt. will step in and reinforce that. In the mean time personal responsibility will take a back seat. At the end of the day 10,20 ,50 years from now, things will be exactly as they are today with the income divide and the disproportionate number of black folks and prison. People will still be blaming it on their race and expecting the govt. to do something about it. At some point personal responsibility should come in to play, but it wont, because there's always race to blame. Pretty sad situation really.

And yet GZ, who had a record of resisting arrest, assault of a police officer, and 2 separate incident of DV(back then, he's got what, 2 more now) for a total of 4 isn't called a criminal. Not only is he not called that, he's routinely defended by people who have take issues with black people defending TM in the exact same manner.

Talk about a double standard.

Blah Blah Blah. Jump on someone and start pounding their head into the pavement for no good reason, and it could get you justifiably killed, as it did in this case.

[Teddy B 17,252]

And yet GZ, who had a record of resisting arrest, assault of a police officer, and 2 separate incident of DV(back then, he's got what, 2 more now) for a total of 4 isn't called a criminal. Not only is he not called that, he's routinely defended by people who have take issues with black people defending TM in the exact same manner.

Talk about a double standard.

I don't know Marv, I think most white folks agree that GZ is a scumbag. Just because a minority of white folks want to defend him doesn't mean all white folks do. You're generalizing, the same thing you hate when a white person does it about black people.

[Rob L 3,811]

Apples and Oranges. it's one thing to speak about black folks having a higher incarceration rate than other races. It's something entirely different to comment on specific cases where the justice system hasn't even had a say in it based on the race of the offender (Trayvon Martin)

TM doesn't have a record because he's was 17. 17 year olds haven't had much of a chance to have a record. It seems he was well on his way with some of the stories that came out about his school suspensions, thefts, etc.

I am trying to stay neutral in the conversation... but you are making it a bit hard. You talk about differing standards and how that harms the nation.

TM seems to be on his way to being a criminal... so the label sticks... that's minority report territory. GZ causes a mans death and then goes on to consistently be involved in violent and antisocial behavior... and he is golden,

Can you see why some people might see this as not just inconsistent, but a threat to their existence?

[Karee 4,190]

I am trying to stay neutral in the conversation... but you are making it a bit hard. You talk about differing standards and how that harms the nation.

TM seems to be on his way to being a criminal... so the label sticks... that's minority report territory. GZ causes a mans death and then goes on to consistently be involved in violent and antisocial behavior... and he is golden,

Can you see why some people might see this as not just inconsistent, but a threat to their existence?

It's not "minority report" territory when someone has actually committed crimes. I only bring it up as a counter to Marvin's laying out GZs criminal past. Neither GZs past or TMs past should have anything to do with what happened that night. Unfortunately, that's not reality. You have one side saying that TM was merely skipping home with his Iced Tea and skittles, and then was viciously gunned down because he's black. You have the other side painting TM as the up and coming Tookie Williams. Neither of those are accurate.

I personally never stated that GZ is "golden" In fact I've stated here multiple times that I view him as a somewhat dimwitted wannabe cop.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I don't know Marv, I think most white folks agree that GZ is a scumbag. Just because a minority of white folks want to defend him doesn't mean all white folks do. You're generalizing, the same thing you hate when a white person does it about black people.

Not really. Think about it. The dude goes on tour and sign autographs. He also has famous folks on Twitter that celebrated when he was acquitted. He makes pictures and sells them for 5-6 figures on the internet. He's become almost iconic for gun owners.

But I was talking about the folks here that hate thugs, but seem to love him, even though he's proven time and time again that he's violent and thuggish.

But I should have clarified. Thanks for the catch.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I am trying to stay neutral in the conversation... but you are making it a bit hard. You talk about differing standards and how that harms the nation.

TM seems to be on his way to being a criminal... so the label sticks... that's minority report territory. GZ causes a mans death and then goes on to consistently be involved in violent and antisocial behavior... and he is golden,

Can you see why some people might see this as not just inconsistent, but a threat to their existence?

cept the Minority report addressed things before they happened.. TM's issues of violence and theft are well documented.

Nobody here has said GZ was a Golden boy. He has issues also.

However all that really matters is, that when you are violently attacked, you have the right to defend yourself. He was not convicted or he would not be legally carrying a firearm.

How come Michael Browns well documented drug use and felony robbery by force or TM repeated expulsions, documented violence and Drug use have no bearing on the case, but GZ brush with the law does.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

It's not "minority report" territory when someone has actually committed crimes. I only bring it up as a counter to Marvin's laying out GZs criminal past. Neither GZs past or TMs past should have anything to do with what happened that night. Unfortunately, that's not reality. You have one side saying that TM was merely skipping home with his Iced Tea and skittles, and then was viciously gunned down because he's black. You have the other side painting TM as the up and coming Tookie Williams. Neither of those are accurate.

I personally never stated that GZ is "golden" In fact I've stated here multiple times that I view him as a somewhat dimwitted wannabe cop.

And yet, you can't call him a criminal. Even though he has a record and continues to have problems with the law. Hell, you got members here who were worse than TM when they were young, are they criminals?