Black Man Claims ‘Racist’ Treatment by Police, Cop’s Body Cam Shows He’s a Liar

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Is my claim true or false? Val, Hai, and MBD have posted this as well. It's well documented and known that black people in general have a more difficult climb than others. The trying twice as hard? Comes from my mother, father, grandfather, and every other relative I have that's done something with their life.

You seem to think that the above things are about you. If you hire fairly and treat your workers as equals, then you have nothing to worry about.

It's the same thing when we talk about the crime rate, single mothers, and government assistance. There's no qualms about this when the stats are put up. And it's not racist because it's true. But when the pendulum swings back the other direction, there's an issue.

I don't know why you persist with this - you must know by now that he's only interested in stirring the pot.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Is my claim true or false? Val, Hai, and MBD have posted this as well. It's well documented and known that black people in general have a more difficult climb than others. The trying twice as hard? Comes from my mother, father, grandfather, and every other relative I have that's done something with their life.

You seem to think that the above things are about you. If you hire fairly and treat your workers as equals, then you have nothing to worry about.

It's the same thing when we talk about the crime rate, single mothers, and government assistance. There's no qualms about this when the stats are put up. And it's not racist because it's true. But when the pendulum swings back the other direction, there's an issue.

Oh well then, I can't argue with 3 such well balanced middle of the road posters . Really ?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Is my claim true or false? Val, Hai, and MBD have posted this as well. It's well documented and known that black people in general have a more difficult climb than others. The trying twice as hard? Comes from my mother, father, grandfather, and every other relative I have that's done something with their life.

You seem to think that the above things are about you. If you hire fairly and treat your workers as equals, then you have nothing to worry about.

It's the same thing when we talk about the crime rate, single mothers, and government assistance. There's no qualms about this when the stats are put up. And it's not racist because it's true. But when the pendulum swings back the other direction, there's an issue.

By the same token, when others post in here about the widely out of portion black crime rate, welfare rate, drop out rate, single parent rate etc etc. if none of that applies to you, then you have nothing to worry about, yet when general observations are made about people who share your skin tone, you get offended as if we are accusing you. You say things, like, " I got to defend my people".

Well I got to defend mine, but yet when I do it's racist.

You say blacks have a harder time, yet there are guarantees for Govt contracts, fast track placement in corporations, minority preferences for admission to schools and I could go on. Based solely on skin color.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Whites are not victims. Nor are we a monolith that needs defending.

I can accept that institutional racism is a real concern to black Americans.

I can accept that the last 200 years of history have left black Americans at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.

I can understand why many black Americans harbour lingering resentment about that.

As a white person I can accept these things without this constant need to disparage black people for it. There's a saying that's apt here - treat people how you would want to be treated.

Edited September 17, 2014 by Hail Ming!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Oh well then, I can't argue with 3 such well balanced middle of the road posters . Really ?

You keep saying middle of the road as if you knew what that actually means. You don't.

[Dan and Judy 614]

I can't help but feel threads have been merged

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

By the same token, when others post in here about the widely out of portion black crime rate, welfare rate, drop out rate, single parent rate etc etc. if none of that applies to you, then you have nothing to worry about, yet when general observations are made about people who share your skin tone, you get offended as if we are accusing you. You say things, like, " I got to defend my people".

Well I got to defend mine, but yet when I do it's racist.

You say blacks have a harder time, yet there are guarantees for Govt contracts, fast track placement in corporations, minority preferences for admission to schools and I could go on. Based solely on skin color.

Because, unlike you, I get lumped in with my people all the time. We have low IQ's, remember? I must live in the hood. It's not some blacks, it's all or just black people. When talks about Ray Rice turn into 70% of black people have single parent issues, I have a problem with it. Why? Because if I make it about race, it's the race card. If someone else does it, it's okay. At least some people here call it out. But you're middle of the road, by that token, you should be calling it out. Hell, I like Hail and I called him on the baiting I thought he was doing in a thread, because I can't call out someone on the opposite of the aisle if I ignore it on my side. That's why I tried to get Janelle to back off with the ABC debacle.

Who attacks you? You're not the KKK, nor the racist things that go down. I've never said all white people are racist.

There's nothing guaranteed about a Govt job. It's just harder to discriminate against someone because they don't make your ethnicity a big issue, you're on a more level playing field. Folks here have asked how did I get a job that was willing to wait as long as they were. Because my resume is exemplary. I've been working on it since March. Went to about 10 people and had them treat it like I owed them money. I'm the best at my job and it reflects in my resume Had a guy call me two weeks ago for a job in Bremerton, WA. Offered me a job after talking to me for 5 minutes and reviewing my resume. His exact words were your resume has some major experience going on.That's the working twice as hard part. You think just because I'm black I can get a job or into school easier than anyone else? The unemployment rate is TWICE that of white people. Schools have less black people than anyone else. Janelle posted and had some members point out that every other group here gets farther on some college than a black person with an AA.

http://www.npr.org/2013/05/01/178442772/for-a-black-doctor-building-trust-by-slowing-down

Give this a read. Let's you see what a black doctor that's at the top of his game has to go through daily.

[Karee 4,190]

Is my claim true or false? Val, Hai, and MBD have posted this as well. It's well documented and known that black people in general have a more difficult climb than others. The trying twice as hard? Comes from my mother, father, grandfather, and every other relative I have that's done something with their life.

You seem to think that the above things are about you. If you hire fairly and treat your workers as equals, then you have nothing to worry about.

It's the same thing when we talk about the crime rate, single mothers, and government assistance. There's no qualms about this when the stats are put up. And it's not racist because it's true. But when the pendulum swings back the other direction, there's an issue.

Black people in general have a more difficult time because of their financial situation IMO. While you and others like to blame that on racism, I think single parent households, crime etc. have more to do with it. It's really easy to say it's because their black, because that way folks can avoid taking responsibility for the situation they're in. Black guy shot by white person? In the eyes of the black community, it has to be racism. Never mind that the white person was attacked by the black person. The conversation devolves into "Who followed who?" or some shots that were picked up on a Skype call. Any small insignificant thing that points to any racial aspect is trumped up as the truth, while facts are discarded and dismissed because it doesn't fit the racist agenda. There's been all kinds of programs put in to place for 40 years to help black folks get ahead, yet nothing has changed over that time. In fact it's probably gotten worse. As long as black folks keep blaming everything that doesn't go their way on racism, nothing will change. We'll be having this same conversation in 30 years.

Does racism exist? Of course it does. It's just not as prevalent as you and others would like it to be. When people can play the race card it all of the sudden seems to absolve them for any personal responsibility. We've seen it in the TM/GZ case, and we're seeing it in this Ferguson case.

It's human nature for people to blame someone else for their issues. Everyone does it. Some folks don't have the luxury of playing the race card though.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Black people in general have a more difficult time because of their financial situation IMO. While you and others like to blame that on racism, I think single parent households, crime etc. have more to do with it. It's really easy to say it's because their black, because that way folks can avoid taking responsibility for the situation they're in. Black guy shot by white person? In the eyes of the black community, it has to be racism. Never mind that the white person was attacked by the black person. The conversation devolves into "Who followed who?" or some shots that were picked up on a Skype call. Any small insignificant thing that points to any racial aspect is trumped up as the truth, while facts are discarded and dismissed because it doesn't fit the racist agenda. There's been all kinds of programs put in to place for 40 years to help black folks get ahead, yet nothing has changed over that time. In fact it's probably gotten worse. As long as black folks keep blaming everything that doesn't go their way on racism, nothing will change. We'll be having this same conversation in 30 years.

Does racism exist? Of course it does. It's just not as prevalent as you and others would like it to be. When people can play the race card it all of the sudden seems to absolve them for any personal responsibility. We've seen it in the TM/GZ case, and we're seeing it in this Ferguson case.

It's human nature for people to blame someone else for their issues. Everyone does it. Some folks don't have the luxury of playing the race card though.

Sums it up well

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Black people in general have a more difficult time because of their financial situation IMO. While you and others like to blame that on racism, I think single parent households, crime etc. have more to do with it. It's really easy to say it's because their black, because that way folks can avoid taking responsibility for the situation they're in. Black guy shot by white person? In the eyes of the black community, it has to be racism. Never mind that the white person was attacked by the black person. The conversation devolves into "Who followed who?" or some shots that were picked up on a Skype call. Any small insignificant thing that points to any racial aspect is trumped up as the truth, while facts are discarded and dismissed because it doesn't fit the racist agenda. There's been all kinds of programs put in to place for 40 years to help black folks get ahead, yet nothing has changed over that time. In fact it's probably gotten worse. As long as black folks keep blaming everything that doesn't go their way on racism, nothing will change. We'll be having this same conversation in 30 years.

Does racism exist? Of course it does. It's just not as prevalent as you and others would like it to be. When people can play the race card it all of the sudden seems to absolve them for any personal responsibility. We've seen it in the TM/GZ case, and we're seeing it in this Ferguson case.

It's human nature for people to blame someone else for their issues. Everyone does it. Some folks don't have the luxury of playing the race card though.

Because it's amazing how the rules changed. I remember, not too long ago, following someone at night without identifying yourself was a one way ticket for getting shot(by some here), getting your butt kicked, or at the very least, a 911 call. Folks teach their kids not to talk to strangers, and here's it been discussed that if someone even walked up to a person at a gas station in a well lit parking lot, a gun would be pulled.

It's easier to say it's all black people's fault, isn't it?

[Karee 4,190]

Because it's amazing how the rules changed. I remember, not too long ago, following someone at night without identifying yourself was a one way ticket for getting shot(by some here), getting your butt kicked, or at the very least, a 911 call. Folks teach their kids not to talk to strangers, and here's it been discussed that if someone even walked up to a person at a gas station in a well lit parking lot, a gun would be pulled.

It's easier to say it's all black people's fault, isn't it?

It's not easier or more difficult to say anything. I'd argue that it's easier to blame your issues on other people. People do that all the time. I do it. However, I don't have the luxury of blaming things that don't go my way on racism.

[B_J 2,752]

Because it's amazing how the rules changed. I remember, not too long ago, following someone at night without identifying yourself was a one way ticket for getting shot(by some here), getting your butt kicked, or at the very least, a 911 call. Folks teach their kids not to talk to strangers, and here's it been discussed that if someone even walked up to a person at a gas station in a well lit parking lot, a gun would be pulled.

It's easier to say it's all black people's fault, isn't it?

You have a valid point here. Trayvon was followed, and even chased, at night by a total stranger. He responded in a very bad way; but his bad judgement should at least be understandable. But some of these same people have said they would pull a gun on a person who approached them in a parking lot. IMO, also very poor judgement. It seems some people are more like Trayvon than they know.

However, I have more of an issue with the charge of racism being used too much. In the OP, a totally false charge of racism could have ruined this man. I don't think you really understand what being labeled a racist can do to a person. In my job, my career would be over if I got stuck with that reputation. I have a black coworker from one of the Caribbean islands. He is a great guy with a great sense of humor. He'll pass me at work and say, "Hey, white man" or "Hey, whitey". I know he wants me to reply in a similar manner and I feel like I'm hurting his feelings when I don't. But, there is no way in the world I will ever risk saying something like that. If somebody overheard and the word spread that I'm a racist, I don't think I could overcome it. Once you're labeled a racist, it's gonna stick.

Yes, there is racism in this world. Probably more than I know about. But, when the cries of racism are overused they hurt innocent people and then, when real racism does occur, it isn't given the attention it deserves because the racism claim has been overused.

[Karee 4,190]

Yes, there is racism in this world. Probably more than I know about. But, when the cries of racism are overused they hurt innocent people and then, when real racism does occur, it isn't given the attention it deserves because the racism claim has been overused.

Very good point. At some point people are going to be tone deaf to it, and then when a real issue of racism occurs, it will be dismissed out of hand.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Very good point. At some point people are going to be tone deaf to it, and then when a real issue of racism occurs, it will be dismissed out of hand.

I find myself getting to that point, especially after the hysterical responses to the Michael Brown shooting. Even if it does come out that the cop was completely wrong and race played a roll in that shooting, it's been completely minimized by the reactions of the people in that community and nation wide.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I find myself getting to that point, especially after the hysterical responses to the Michael Brown shooting. Even if it does come out that the cop was completely wrong and race played a roll in that shooting, it's been completely minimized by the reactions of the people in that community and nation wide.

I think what needs to be talked about is why a lot of people still feel that American society is stacked against them.

Personally I think it's quite understandable why many black Americans are angry at the world and feel this sense of being left behind. Because they have been left behind. Racist legislation that kept black Americans back (i.e. that made it difficult or impossible to get decently paid jobs, to get into decent schools, to acquire wealth and property) may have been repealed, but how do you move on from that?