The Assault Weapon Myth

[GandD 5,966]

I know all the gun people hate it but I still think smart guns will be very effective after a few generations.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I know all the gun people hate it but I still think smart guns will be very effective after a few generations.

And that may be true in the future, but what about the non smart guns out there now? What do all the anti gun and gun control advocates suggest. Not directed at you personally, I ask those here sincerely.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

And education will help even more. If the black on black murder rate was proportional to the percentage of the population which they make up, the rate would drop substantially again.

If 3 % of the population demographically speaking stoped killing the murder rate would drop almost 50% but yet for someone to say that to a national auidance would cause chaos. How can we fix an issue. We can't even admit

[Curmudgeon 227]

Again, how are you going to get rid of the 350 million in circulation?

Voluntary surrender. If people see how stupid it really is for most of them to be gun owners and realize that what they have in the home is an accident waiting to happen, the next step would be to have them surrendered to a suitable authority. It is possible, if people want to change gun culture, it would be possible to change gun culture without resorting to laws. The problem, again, is that most gun owners see the idea of having guns only when they are truly warranted as an affront to their second amendment rights and therefore encourage the idea that everyone is not only entitled to own a gun (I agree, within reason) but should actively go out and get one despite not having a genuine reason for owning one(which is where I have a total divergence of opinion with a lot of gun owners who seem incapable of suggesting that having a gun may not be the right thing for most people). That is asinine and if it were discouraged and a voluntary surrender of guns was implemented then a lot of the guns that have no reason to be out there would be removed from circulation. Of course, the gun lobby will not participate, nor will the manufacturers, for obvious reason but if the will was there, it could be done.

[Curmudgeon 227]

If 3 % of the population demographically speaking stoped killing the murder rate would drop almost 50% but yet for someone to say that to a national auidance would cause chaos. How can we fix an issue. We can't even admit

You may as well say, if 100% of murderers stopped killing most of the avoidable killing would be stopped. You do realize that is broadly speaking what you are saying? Unless of course you have some point that is based on, oh I don't know, racism? Do you?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Voluntary surrender. If people see how stupid it really is for most of them to be gun owners and realize that what they have in the home is an accident waiting to happen, the next step would be to have them surrendered to a suitable authority. It is possible, if people want to change gun culture, it would be possible to change gun culture without resorting to laws. The problem, again, is that most gun owners see the idea of having guns only when they are truly warranted as an affront to their second amendment rights and therefore encourage the idea that everyone is not only entitled to own a gun (I agree, within reason) but should actively go out and get one despite not having a genuine reason for owning one(which is where I have a total divergence of opinion with a lot of gun owners who seem incapable of suggesting that having a gun may not be the right thing for most people). That is asinine and if it were discouraged and a voluntary surrender of guns was implemented then a lot of the guns that have no reason to be out there would be removed from circulation. Of course, the gun lobby will not participate, nor will the manufacturers, for obvious reason but if the will was there, it could be done.

People can voluntarily surrender now and have always been able to. There are gun buy back programs. It's never going to change on it's own. After Sandyhook, there was a run on guns like never seen before. Every talk of bans increases sales. Obama has sold more guns than the NRA.

Go tell people they shouldn't drink, you'll get the same results.

[Curmudgeon 227]

People can voluntarily surrender now and have always been able to. There are gun buy back programs. It's never going to change on it's own. After Sandyhook, there was a run on guns like never seen before. Every talk of bans increases sales. Obama has sold more guns than the NRA.

Go tell people they shouldn't drink, you'll get the same results.

Go read my first post again. Peer pressure, combined with voluntary surrender.

Why does talk of banning guns increase gun sales? Because people are actively encouraged to buy guns solely for the purpose of protecting second amendment rights. That's ridiculous and any sensible human should see that and realize that in fact, the community at large is best served by responsible gun owners promoting responsible gun ownership and crucially discouraging those who have no business owning guns, but as of right now, the complete opposite is true. You as a gun owner have more responsibility for voluntarily ensuring a proper respect and responsibility for gun ownership than those who do not own guns and should see that it is in your own ,and society at larges' best interest to do so and yet, the majority of gun owners shy away from suggesting that a lot of people would be better off without them. It is quite sad that American gun culture has come to this, where responsible gun owners are left arguing that most people should own a gun. It's cynical, manipulative and wasn't always like this believe it or not.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Go read my first post again. Peer pressure, combined with voluntary surrender.

Why does talk of banning guns increase gun sales? Because people are actively encouraged to buy guns solely for the purpose of protecting second amendment rights. That's ridiculous and any sensible human should see that and realize that in fact, the community at large is best served by responsible gun owners promoting responsible gun ownership and crucially discouraging those who have no business owning guns, but as of right now, the complete opposite is true. You as a gun owner have more responsibility for voluntarily ensuring a proper respect and responsibility for gun ownership than those who do not own guns and should see that it is in your own ,and society at larges' best interest to do so and yet, the majority of gun owners shy away from suggesting that a lot of people would be better off without them. It is quite sad that American gun culture has come to this, where responsible gun owners are left arguing that most people should own a gun. It's cynical, manipulative and wasn't always like this believe it or not.

Why not go to the projects and tell people not to do drugs? Tell the drug dealers they are hurting people and that they should stop. Better yet, tell people they shouldn't kill each other, that would even be a better place for peer pressure. Ask the street gangs to stop doing drive by's. Tell people to use birth control instead of having 8 kids by 6 different men. Tell people to not to have children they cannot afford to support. Tell people to love one another, to forgive and forget. Oh yea, someone already did that. They nailed him to a cross.

Tell the people with illegal guns they shouldn't have them and ask them kindly to turn them in. There has always been voluntary surrender, hows it working out? How many murderers do you think have turned in their guns? How many drug dealers? How many street thugs? Tell them if they shoot someone, they will go to prison. That's really a deterrent, isn't it? Look how many murders the death penalty stopped. Killers were afraid to kill because of capital punishment? Right.

I don't know who is arguing that most people should own a gun, I sure as hell never have. Gun ownership is a choice, and it definitely isn't for everyone. It's a big responsibility that I take quite seriously.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You may as well say, if 100% of murderers stopped killing most of the avoidable killing would be stopped. You do realize that is broadly speaking what you are saying? Unless of course you have some point that is based on, oh I don't know, racism? Do you?

Thank you for making my point. If you dare mention a fact. Your racist. Facts are not racist

If assault weapons disappeared tommorow , murder would nor drop 1%

Yet we can not even discuss rationally one of the biggest violence issues in America

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It depends what you do with those facts really doesn't it.

[Karee 4,191]

It depends what you do with those facts really doesn't it.

You're right about that. You can either ignore them and call them racist, or realize there's an issue and address it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Do what about the issue? What is anyone here doing about that issue or any other?

You aren't going to save the world by posting on an obscure message board.

[Karee 4,191]

Do what about the issue? What is anyone here doing about that issue or any other?

You aren't going to save the world by posting on an obscure message board.

Nice deflection.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Deflect what? You talk about the need to do something. What should be done? What are you doing?

What is this continual go around on here about blacks supposed to achieve? What's the goal?

[Karee 4,191]

Deflect what? You talk about the need to do something. What should be done? What are you doing?

What is this continual go around on here about blacks supposed to achieve? What's the goal?

I was talking about addressing the fact that that there is a disparity, and when its pointed out it is somehow racist. For some unknown reason, you change gears and start asking what people are going to do about it besides posting on a message board. Again, deflection. You do realize that this is message board and its primary purpose is discussion, don't you?