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The Assault Weapon Myth

OVER the past two decades, the majority of Americans in a country deeply divided over gun control have coalesced behind a single proposition: The sale of assault weapons should be banned.

That idea was one of the pillars of the Obama administration’s plan to curb gun violence, and it remains popular with the public. In a poll last December, 59 percent of likely voters said they favor a ban.

But in the 10 years since the previous ban lapsed, even gun control advocates acknowledge a larger truth: The law that barred the sale of assault weapons from 1994 to 2004 made little difference.

It turns out that big, scary military rifles don’t kill the vast majority of the 11,000 Americans murdered with guns each year. Little handguns do.

In 2012, only 322 people were murdered with any kind of rifle, F.B.I. data shows.

The continuing focus on assault weapons stems from the media’s obsessive focus on mass shootings, which disproportionately involve weapons like the AR-15, a civilian version of the military M16 rifle. This, in turn, obscures some grim truths about who is really dying from gunshots.

Annually, 5,000 to 6,000 black men are murdered with guns. Black men amount to only 6 percent of the population. Yet of the 30 Americans on average shot to death each day, half are black males.

It was much the same in the early 1990s when Democrats created and then banned a category of guns they called “assault weapons.” America was then suffering from a spike in gun crime and it seemed like a problem threatening everyone. Gun murders each year had been climbing: 11,000, then 13,000, then 17,000.

Democrats decided to push for a ban of what seemed like the most dangerous guns in America: assault weapons, which were presented by the media as the gun of choice for drug dealers and criminals, and which many in law enforcement wanted to get off the streets.

This politically defined category of guns — a selection of rifles, shotguns and handguns with “military-style” features — only figured in about 2 percent of gun crimes nationwide before the ban.

Handguns were used in more than 80 percent of murders each year, but gun control advocates had failed to interest enough of the public in a handgun ban. Handguns were the weapons most likely to kill you, but they were associated by the public with self-defense. (In 2008, the Supreme Court said there was a constitutional right to keep a loaded handgun at home for self-defense.)

Banning sales of military-style weapons resonated with both legislators and the public: Civilians did not need to own guns designed for use in war zones.

On Sept. 13, 1994, President Bill Clinton signed an assault weapons ban into law. It barred the manufacture and sale of new guns with military features and magazines holding more than 10 rounds. But the law allowed those who already owned these guns — an estimated 1.5 million of them — to keep their weapons.

The policy proved costly. Mr. Clinton blamed the ban for Democratic losses in 1994. Crime fell, but when the ban expired, a detailed study found no proof that it had contributed to the decline.

The ban did reduce the number of assault weapons recovered by local police, to 1 percent from roughly 2 percent.

“Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement,” a Department of Justice-funded evaluation concluded.

Still, the majority of Americans continued to support a ban on assault weapons.

One reason: The use of these weapons may be rare over all, but they’re used frequently in the gun violence that gets the most media coverage, mass shootings.

The criminologist James Alan Fox at Northeastern University estimates that there have been an average of 100 victims killed each year in mass shootings over the past three decades. That’s less than 1 percent of gun homicide victims.

But these acts of violence in schools and movie theaters have come to define the problem of gun violence in America.

Most Americans do not know that gun homicides have decreased by 49 percent since 1993 as violent crime also fell, though rates of gun homicide in the United States are still much higher than those in other developed nations. A Pew survey conducted after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., found that 56 percent of Americans believed wrongly that the rate of gun crime was higher than it was 20 years ago.

Even as homicide rates have held steady or declined for most Americans over the last decade, for black men the rate has sometimes risen. But it took a handful of mass shootings in 2012 to put gun control back on Congress’s agenda.

AFTER Sandy Hook, President Obama introduced an initiative to reduce gun violence. He laid out a litany of tragedies: the children of Newtown, the moviegoers of Aurora, Colo. But he did not mention gun violence among black men.

To be fair, the president’s first legislative priority after Sandy Hook was universal background checks, a measure that might have shrunk the market for illegal guns used in many urban shootings. But Republicans in Congress killed that effort. The next proposal on his list was reinstating and “strengthening” bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. It also went nowhere.

“We spent a whole bunch of time and a whole bunch of political capital yelling and screaming about assault weapons,” Mayor Mitchell J. Landrieu of New Orleans said. He called it a “zero sum political fight about a symbolic weapon.”

Mr. Landrieu and Mayor Michael A. Nutter of Philadelphia are founders of Cities United, a network of mayors trying to prevent the deaths of young black men. “This is not just a gun issue, this is an unemployment issue, it’s a poverty issue, it’s a family issue, it’s a culture of violence issue,” Mr. Landrieu said.

More than 20 years of research funded by the Justice Department has found that programs to target high-risk people or places, rather than targeting certain kinds of guns, can reduce gun violence.

David M. Kennedy, the director of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, argues that the issue of gun violence can seem enormous and intractable without first addressing poverty or drugs. A closer look at the social networks of neighborhoods most afflicted, he says, often shows that only a small number of men drive most of the violence. Identify them and change their behavior, and it’s possible to have an immediate impact.

Working with Professor Kennedy, and building on successes in other cities, New Orleans is now identifying the young men most at risk and intervening to help them get jobs. How well this strategy will work in the long term remains to be seen.

But it’s an approach based on an honest assessment of the real numbers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunday-review/the-assault-weapon-myth.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

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In 2012, only 322 people were murdered with any kind of rifle, F.B.I. data shows.

The continuing focus on assault weapons stems from the media’s obsessive focus on mass shootings, which disproportionately involve weapons like the AR-15, a civilian version of the military M16 rifle. This, in turn, obscures some grim truths about who is really dying from gunshots.

This politically defined category of guns — a selection of rifles, shotguns and handguns with “military-style” features — only figured in about 2 percent of gun crimes nationwide before the ban.

Handguns were used in more than 80 percent of murders each year, but gun control advocates had failed to interest enough of the public in a handgun ban. Handguns were the weapons most likely to kill you, but they were associated by the public with self-defense. (In 2008, the Supreme Court said there was a constitutional right to keep a loaded handgun at home for self-defense.)

Banning sales of military-style weapons resonated with both legislators and the public: Civilians did not need to own guns designed for use in war zones.

On Sept. 13, 1994, President Bill Clinton signed an assault weapons ban into law. It barred the manufacture and sale of new guns with military features and magazines holding more than 10 rounds. But the law allowed those who already owned these guns — an estimated 1.5 million of them — to keep their weapons.

The policy proved costly. Mr. Clinton blamed the ban for Democratic losses in 1994. Crime fell, but when the ban expired, a detailed study found no proof that it had contributed to the decline.

The criminologist James Alan Fox at Northeastern University estimates that there have been an average of 100 victims killed each year in mass shootings over the past three decades. That’s less than 1 percent of gun homicide victims.

But these acts of violence in schools and movie theaters have come to define the problem of gun violence in America.

Most Americans do not know that gun homicides have decreased by 49 percent since 1993 as violent crime also fell, though rates of gun homicide in the United States are still much higher than those in other developed nations. A Pew survey conducted after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., found that 56 percent of Americans believed wrongly that the rate of gun crime was higher than it was 20 years ago.

It is strange that everyone who is anti gun wants to ban the least used weapons. Just like banning poodles because most dog attacks are by pit bulls. It makes no sense to me. If someone is truly anti gun, they should be fighting to ban handguns, but for some reason it's those scary looking assault rifles that need to go. Even though more people are beaten to death by baseball bats than killed by assault rifles. Go figure.

The US population has increased since 1993, there are more guns and the murder by guns has gone down. How can that be?

Why do some insist the problem is the gun itself and not the human misusing it?

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R.I.P Spooky 2004-2015

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If I remember correctly, the assault weapons ban came about because of an armed robbery in California where the bank robbers wore full body armour and had more firepower than the police who tried to the stop them.

I agree, there should be more emphasis on pistols.

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I agree, there should be more emphasis on pistols.

No. :no:

The only way to move the issue of gun violence forward is to place the emphasis on the people responsible for it, not what they use to carry it out. Tackle the issues affecting the people. Treat the root causes, not the symptoms.

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How do you do that then?

By dealing with the issues facing people on a community level. There is no "one size fits all" solution, as the causes of gun violence differ widely. But local leaders need to step up to the plate and represent the people who put them there, make a difference in their lives, rather than just work to keep themselves in office.

Legislation to restrict types of guns, magazine capacity and caliber of weapons does little, or nothing, to affect the frequency of gun crime. Criminals tend not to follow the law anyway.

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Yet, strangely in societies were gun ownership is low, criminals tend not to use guns either for the most part. So, in the US, gun ownership is high, criminal activity by people carrying guns is high, deaths and serious injury from gun shots are high, accidents with guns are high where in countries with low gun ownership all these things are much, much lower. Wonder which scenario is better for the general public good? Any guesses?

What's your proposal to get rid of the 350 million guns currently in circulation?

R.I.P Spooky 2004-2015

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And education will help even more. If the black on black murder rate was proportional to the percentage of the population which they make up, the rate would drop substantially again.

It would be most helpful if people saw everyone as being a member of the human race, which we all are and not sub divide us into groups based on skin tone and other irrelevancies. There is nothing about being black that makes it more likely that you will commit violent crime or murder. There is everything about being in a certain type of socioeconomic environment that contributes to patterns of behavior that make it more likely that you will come into proximity with people from a criminal background, particularly associated with the consumption of drugs which will make it more likely that you will be arrested or become involved in some way with crime. This is true regardless of your ethnic background, culture or skin color.

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What's your proposal to get rid of the 350 million guns currently in circulation?

You could start with peer pressure. Only those who have an enthusiasm for, and responsibility to being a gun owner should be encouraged to own weaponry . Society should discourage having guns in the home, should discourage the idea that guns are a useful tool to prevent crime in the home, should discourage the idea that the police are buffoons who have no interest in maintaining law and order, should discourage the peculiar response to those who suggest that owning a gun is a responsibility too far for most people as dependents on the government teet and other, equally disparaging and useless insults. For most people, owning a gun is reckless and foolhardy because most people do not have sufficient interest in weapons or target shooting to take the responsibility seriously and ensure that no harm comes to those who live with or around the gun owner. Start with that and see how you get on. Of course, it will not happen because such sentiments are anti-American, unconstitutional and flagrantly challenge the 2nd amendment. Nonsense of course, but that's the response from certain members of the gun owning fraternity.

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You could start with peer pressure. Only those who have an enthusiasm for, and responsibility to being a gun owner should be encouraged to own weaponry . Society should discourage having guns in the home, should discourage the idea that guns are a useful tool to prevent crime in the home, should discourage the idea that the police are buffoons who have no interest in maintaining law and order, should discourage the peculiar response to those who suggest that owning a gun is a responsibility too far for most people as dependents on the government teet and other, equally disparaging and useless insults. For most people, owning a gun is reckless and foolhardy because most people do not have sufficient interest in weapons or target shooting to take the responsibility seriously and ensure that no harm comes to those who live with or around the gun owner. Start with that and see how you get on. Of course, it will not happen because such sentiments are anti-American, unconstitutional and flagrantly challenge the 2nd amendment. Nonsense of course, but that's the response from certain members of the gun owning fraternity.

Again, how are you going to get rid of the 350 million in circulation?

R.I.P Spooky 2004-2015

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It would be most helpful if people saw everyone as being a member of the human race, which we all are and not sub divide us into groups based on skin tone and other irrelevancies. There is nothing about being black that makes it more likely that you will commit violent crime or murder. There is everything about being in a certain type of socioeconomic environment that contributes to patterns of behavior that make it more likely that you will come into proximity with people from a criminal background, particularly associated with the consumption of drugs which will make it more likely that you will be arrested or become involved in some way with crime. This is true regardless of your ethnic background, culture or skin color.

Unfortunately, black on black murder is way out of proportion. If you want to reduce gun deaths further, this area has lots of room for improvement too. I agree that much of it is socioeconomic conditions, but instead of working on that, let's penalize the tens of millions of law abiding gun owners instead.

R.I.P Spooky 2004-2015

 

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