CA Man Arrested for Cooking Dog and Feeding It to His Ex

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I see Sousuke's point. We don't usually see the act of killing a cow as cruel. If killing itself is not inherently cruel then without knowing how the dog was killed how can you say that the manner of death was cruel? I believe the charge will stick not because of the manner of death but because the death was gratuitous. There was not a good reason to kill the dog.

I understand the point, I just thought it was very poor taste to bring it up in a thread like this one. Why is this man being charged with cruelty - outrageous!

On the point of slaughter though, there are a whole host of regulations governing the ethical slaughter of animals, one of which is that that the animal must be killed instantaneously (and i am talking to scientific precision). Another is that the whole experience leading up to the death shouldn't be stressing to the animals because when cattle are stressed it release hormones the change the taste of the meat.

I actually know a guy who works as a slaughterhouse inspector for a major supermarket chain and he takes this stuff extremely seriously. This isn't something I've made up or read somewhere. Its frankly laughable that the actions of this sadistic individual (and sadism was his motivation for what he did - not introducing his GF to niche asian cuisine) are in any way being compared with the commercial slaughter industry. It's actually quite insulting.

[Dan and Judy 614]

I understand the point, I just thought it was very poor taste to bring it up in a thread like this one. Why is this man being charged with cruelty - outrageous!

On the point of slaughter though, there are a whole host of regulations governing the ethical slaughter of animals, one of which is that that the animal must be killed instantaneously (and i am talking to scientific precision). Another is that the whole experience leading up to the death shouldn't be stressing to the animals because when cattle are stressed it release hormones the change the taste of the meat.

I actually know a guy who works as a slaughterhouse inspector for a major supermarket chain and he takes this stuff extremely seriously. This isn't something I've made up or read somewhere. Its frankly laughable that the actions of this sadistic individual (and sadism was his motivation for what he did - not introducing his GF to niche asian cuisine) are in any way being compared with the commercial slaughter industry. It's actually quite insulting.

Undercover videos have exposed the ugly realities concealed behind the walls and locked gates of animal agriculture facilities and put them on the evening news. The footage is graphic; the impressions they leave are haunting and indelible. Images from past undercover investigations include unwanted male chicks on an egg farm being casually tossed into a grinder alive, workers swinging sick or runty piglets by their legs and smashing their heads on concrete, and cows and calves being beaten in the head with crowbars (the first two abuses are standard industry practice). "Once you see them, you can't unsee them," says Matt Rice, Director of Investigations for Mercy For Animals, who traces his own conversion to animal advocacy to undercover videos he watched over a decade ago.

http://www.thenation.com/article/175506/charged-crime-filming-slaughterhouse#

I would take exception to the idea that your hamburgers are being killed with scientific precision, If that were the case, the states would not be passing laws making it illegal to film undercover in the slaughter houses

Edited September 16, 2014 by Dan and Judy

[Sousuke 1,214]

Undercover videos have exposed the ugly realities concealed behind the walls and locked gates of animal agriculture facilities and put them on the evening news. The footage is graphic; the impressions they leave are haunting and indelible. Images from past undercover investigations include unwanted male chicks on an egg farm being casually tossed into a grinder alive, workers swinging sick or runty piglets by their legs and smashing their heads on concrete, and cows and calves being beaten in the head with crowbars (the first two abuses are standard industry practice). "Once you see them, you can't unsee them," says Matt Rice, Director of Investigations for Mercy For Animals, who traces his own conversion to animal advocacy to undercover videos he watched over a decade ago.

http://www.thenation.com/article/175506/charged-crime-filming-slaughterhouse#

I would take exception to the idea that your hamburgers are being killed with scientific precision, If that were the case, the states would not be passing laws making it illegal to film undercover in the slaughter houses

As far as I am aware in both the UK and US there are still inhumane slaughtering practices allowed. If some of the posters here think thats insulting that I would bring it up...well I think that speaks volumes about them doesn't it.

Edited September 16, 2014 by Sousuke

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Like I say, I actually know a guy who inspects slaughter facilities for a living (in the UK). He doesn't work for the people doing the slaughtering, he works for the supermarket that buys the meat from them.

I don't think we need sensationalist videos of slaughterhouse horrors to recognise that there are standards in this industry and that it isn't run by sadists who kill dogs for fun ;-)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

As far as I am aware in both the UK and US there are still inhumane slaughtering practices allowed. If some of the posters here think thats insulting that I would bring it up...well I think that speaks volumes about them doesn't it.

Be very careful about what you are saying here. I am aware that animal slaughter is controversial, but I don't think its reasonable to smear people who work in an industry simply to further something that you want to believe to be true.

Is inhumane slaughter an issue? Of course. The whole horse meat scandal revealed that there are serious problems with knowing where our meat has come from and what happened to it before it got there. At the same time, not every slaughterhouse and retailer colluded in that and the idea that one slaughterhouse is the same as another is just propaganda for animal rights extremists.

Again, it's a subject worth discussion but not as a jumping off point from a story about a guy his killed his exes dog and fed it to her for fun. That you would think so speaks volumes about you.

Edited September 16, 2014 by Hail Ming!

[Sousuke 1,214]

Be very careful about what you are saying here. I am aware that animal slaughter is controversial, but I don't think its reasonable to smear people who work in an industry simply to further something that you want to believe to be true.

Is inhumane slaughter an issue? Of course. The whole horse meat scandal revealed that there are serious problems with knowing where our meat has come from and what happened to it before it got there. At the same time, not every slaughterhouse and retailer colluded in that and the idea that one slaughterhouse is the same as another is just propaganda for animal rights extremists.

Again, it's a subject worth discussion but not as a jumping off point from a story about a guy his killed his exes dog and fed it to her for fun. That you would think so speaks volumes about you.

Yes it does speak volumes about my multifaceted view of the world. You don't have to be stuck on one point which we have already discussed and agreed with.

Edited September 16, 2014 by Sousuke

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It's insulting to people who work in farming and the slaughter industry to compare their work with a guy who killed a dog for fun. You don't see that?

Reminds me of Alan Partridge on Farming:

Edited September 16, 2014 by Hail Ming!

[Sousuke 1,214]

By the way, I assume curmudgeon is madame cleo?

It's insulting to people who work in farming and the slaughter industry to compare their work with a guy who killed a dog for fun. You don't see that?

Yes it is insulting to compare a person in the slaughter industry to a guy who killed a dog for fun. I wouldn't do that.

[Expat1 971]

Killing, cooking and feeding someone's pet to them without them knowing and then taunting them about it afterward doesn't quite seem the same as buying a steak at your local market and cooking it on the bbq.

It's hard to generate guilt about the feeling of overall content and satisfaction enjoyed after putting down a big ole t-bone

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Only in CHEST/VJ could we get a flame war going about, is killing a hamburger animal cruelty

Love all you nutbags

[Teddy B 17,252]

By the way, I assume curmudgeon is madame cleo?

Yes it is insulting to compare a person in the slaughter industry to a guy who killed a dog for fun. I wouldn't do that.

Could be. I was originally thinking curmudgeon was "The Patriot" aka Bill, but now that you mention it, the posting style does resemble Cleo/The Truth more than Bill's.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Could be. I was originally thinking curmudgeon was "The Patriot" aka Bill, but now that you mention it, the posting style does resemble Cleo/The Truth more than Bill's.

There could not be two with the voltage that low That is the truth

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There could not be two with the voltage that low That is the truth

Now is there any need for that sort of thing? I thought you were all about respecting the TOS and all that?

[Curmudgeon 227]

As far as I am aware in both the UK and US there are still inhumane slaughtering practices allowed. If some of the posters here think thats insulting that I would bring it up...well I think that speaks volumes about them doesn't it.

As in?

I don't disagree that trying to render the slaughter of animals 'humane' is something of a precarious proposition, but the point is that animal slaughter is necessarily regulated and slaughter of any animal for human consumption requires the person undertaking the slaughter for follow certain procedures which are designed to minimise the pain and suffering of the animal and to maximize the hygiene and quality of the meat due to be consumed. None of these considerations are going to be undertaken by a sadist who's only motive was to cause pain and suffering to his ex girlfriend. No matter what way you slice it, this was an ill conceived action and talking about how some people enjoy eating dog meat on one hand or whether eating meat in general is 'humane' are rather off topic. Perhaps a new thread to discuss both these interesting tangengs would prove helpful?

[Sousuke 1,214]

As in?

I don't disagree that trying to render the slaughter of animals 'humane' is something of a precarious proposition, but the point is that animal slaughter is necessarily regulated and slaughter of any animal for human consumption requires the person undertaking the slaughter for follow certain procedures which are designed to minimise the pain and suffering of the animal and to maximize the hygiene and quality of the meat due to be consumed. None of these considerations are going to be undertaken by a sadist who's only motive was to cause pain and suffering to his ex girlfriend. No matter what way you slice it, this was an ill conceived action and talking about how some people enjoy eating dog meat on one hand or whether eating meat in general is 'humane' are rather off topic. Perhaps a new thread to discuss both these interesting tangengs would prove helpful?

sorry i'm done with you. not worth my effort.