Rport of Marriage question

[Hank_ 9,174]

yes that is an option but we don't feel comfortable sending passports through the mail at this point so close before our trip. As long as the ROM will not stop us from traveling, getting her K2 daughter or getting married in a church over there.. then we will just wait to do ROM when we get back in April.

Do you see any issue with waiting another few months ? thanks!

Huh? You don't send your passports in with ROM.

http://www.philippinesusa.info/uploads/pdfs/Report%20of%20Marriage.pdf

Report of Marriage between Filipinos or a Filipino and a Foreign National

The marriage of a Filipino should be reported to and registered with the Philippine National Statistics Office through the Embassy/Consulate General having jurisdiction over the locality where the event took place. Please check the Consulate Finder or the Consulates Link for the states covered by the Embassy/Consulates General in the U.S.

BASIC REQUIREMENTS:

1. Four (4) original duly-accomplished Report of Marriage Contracted Abroad form, typed or printed legibly in black or blue ink, signed by both husband and wife. Wives should indicate their maiden name as the last name. If submitting by mail, the completed forms must be notarized.
2. One (1) original or certified true copy and four (4) photocopies of the Marriage Certificate or Contract (original will be returned)
3. Four (4) photocopies of a government-issued identification card or passport of both husband and wife
4. Four (4) photocopies of Philippine birth certificate of Filipino spouse
5. Self-addressed return envelope, with appropriate stamps for express or priority mail with tracking numbers via US Postal Service, or with pre-paid mailing envelope from private courier of choice, if Report of Marriage is to be mailed back.
6. Processing fee of $25.00 (non-refundable), payable in cash, or money order, bank draft, certified check or cashier’s check, made payable to "Embassy of the Philippines" (or "Philippine Consulate General", if application is made at one of the Philippine Consulates General in the U.S.). Personal checks and credit cards are not accepted.
7. For applicants residing in U.S. territories or other countries within the jurisdiction of the Philippine Embassy, applicants should enclose a treasurer’s, manager’s or certified check issued by a local bank that has a corresponding bank in the U.S., payable to the courier of choice, in U.S. dollars, to cover cost of mailing, and a corresponding self-addressed courier’s address label. Personal checks are not accepted.

Note: The Philippine Embassy/Consulate General assumes no responsibility for any delay or loss in the mail, or while the documents are in the custody of the courier service. The applicant should note the tracking numbers of all envelopes used and submitted.

ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS

A. IF FILIPINO SPOUSE WAS PREVIOUSLY MARRIED AND DIVORCED, OR PREVIOUSLY MARRIED AND MARRIAGE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY ANNULLED

One (1) original or certified true copy and four (4) photocopies of the Judicial Decree of Divorce or Annulment (original will be returned)

[defeedme 4]

that is different from the official NY consulate webpage, i've been there and they Always require passport.

http://www.newyorkpcg.org/our-services/civil-registry/report-of-marriage

One (1) original/certified true copy and four (4) photocopies of currently valid passport or State-issued driver license of the contracting parties; - See more at: http://www.newyorkpcg.org/our-services/civil-registry/report-of-marriage#sthash.QvhsI6ex.dpuf

Huh? You don't send your passports in with ROM.

http://www.philippinesusa.info/uploads/pdfs/Report%20of%20Marriage.pdf

Report of Marriage between Filipinos or a Filipino and a Foreign National

The marriage of a Filipino should be reported to and registered with the Philippine National Statistics Office through the Embassy/Consulate General having jurisdiction over the locality where the event took place. Please check the Consulate Finder or the Consulates Link for the states covered by the Embassy/Consulates General in the U.S.

BASIC REQUIREMENTS:

1. Four (4) original duly-accomplished Report of Marriage Contracted Abroad form, typed or printed legibly in black or blue ink, signed by both husband and wife. Wives should indicate their maiden name as the last name. If submitting by mail, the completed forms must be notarized.
2. One (1) original or certified true copy and four (4) photocopies of the Marriage Certificate or Contract (original will be returned)
3. Four (4) photocopies of a government-issued identification card or passport of both husband and wife
4. Four (4) photocopies of Philippine birth certificate of Filipino spouse
5. Self-addressed return envelope, with appropriate stamps for express or priority mail with tracking numbers via US Postal Service, or with pre-paid mailing envelope from private courier of choice, if Report of Marriage is to be mailed back.
6. Processing fee of $25.00 (non-refundable), payable in cash, or money order, bank draft, certified check or cashier’s check, made payable to "Embassy of the Philippines" (or "Philippine Consulate General", if application is made at one of the Philippine Consulates General in the U.S.). Personal checks and credit cards are not accepted.
7. For applicants residing in U.S. territories or other countries within the jurisdiction of the Philippine Embassy, applicants should enclose a treasurer’s, manager’s or certified check issued by a local bank that has a corresponding bank in the U.S., payable to the courier of choice, in U.S. dollars, to cover cost of mailing, and a corresponding self-addressed courier’s address label. Personal checks are not accepted.

Note: The Philippine Embassy/Consulate General assumes no responsibility for any delay or loss in the mail, or while the documents are in the custody of the courier service. The applicant should note the tracking numbers of all envelopes used and submitted.

ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS

A. IF FILIPINO SPOUSE WAS PREVIOUSLY MARRIED AND DIVORCED, OR PREVIOUSLY MARRIED AND MARRIAGE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY ANNULLED

One (1) original or certified true copy and four (4) photocopies of the Judicial Decree of Divorce or Annulment (original will be returned)

[Hank_ 9,174]

that is different from the official NY consulate webpage, i've been there and they Always require passport.

http://www.newyorkpcg.org/our-services/civil-registry/report-of-marriage

One (1) original/certified true copy and four (4) photocopies of currently valid passport or State-issued driver license of the contracting parties; - See more at: http://www.newyorkpcg.org/our-services/civil-registry/report-of-marriage#sthash.QvhsI6ex.dpuf

Sorry but it doesn't say that in the link you posted either, it asks for an original/true copy not the actual passport, plus it says passport OR driver's license.

BASIC REQUIREMENTS

• Four (4) original duly accomplished Report of Marriage Contracted Abroad form signed by the husband and wife;
• Four (4) identical passport-size colored photographs for each of the spouses in white or royal blue background taken within the last six months;
• One (1) original and four (4) photocopies of the Marriage Certificate or Record showing the number of marriages contracted by the parties and issued by the Office of the Vital Records or any other appropriate office of the State where the marriage took place. If the number of contracted marriages do not show, one certified copy and two regular copies of the marriage license showing the number of marriage must be additionally submitted;
• If the former spouse is deceased, one (1) original/certified true copy and four (4) photocopies of the death certificate and the marriage certificate with the deceased spouse;
• If divorced/previous marriage is annulled by a foreign court, the foreign judgement must be recognized by a Philippine Court. Present one (1) original and four (4) copies of the Annotated Marriage Certificate issued by the NSO;
• If previous marrige is annulled in the Philippines, present one (1) original and four (4) copies of the final order issued by the Philippine RTC and one (1) original and four (4) copies of the Annotated Marriage Certificate issued by the NSO;
• One (1) original/certified true copy and four (4) photocopies of currently valid passport or State-issued driver license of the contracting parties;
• Payment of non-refundable processing fee of US$25.00 (if applying by mail, only money order, certified or cashier’s check payable to the Philippine Consulate General New York; personal check is not accepted);
• If application for report is filed more than 30 days after the date of marriage, an original and four (4) photocopies of the Notarized Affidavit of Explanation for delayed registration by the applicants;
• The Consular Officer may require additional proof or documents from the applicant/s to determine their citizenship, identity or eligibility for registration of marriage under Philippine laws.

See more at: http://www.newyorkpcg.org/our-services/civil-registry/report-of-marriage#sthash.VASxb9iY.dpuf

Other point is New York doesn't represent the state you were married in, Washington DC does.

http://www.philippinesusa.org/philippines/consulate-finder-main/

Edited January 22, 2015 by Hank_

[defeedme 4]

she has no other I.D. yet and original/certified true copy IS the actual passport..

http://www.***removed***/immigration/certified-copy.html

" Certified copy does NOT mean plain photocopy, notarized photocopy, true copy of the certificate,

embassy prepared copy or anything like that. Copies certified by attorneys, Justice of the Peace, Notary

Public etc., are not acceptable.

For all practical purposes in most places, it actually means what people consider to be "original"

certificate."

Sorry but it doesn't say that in the link you posted either, it asks for an original/true copy not the actual passport, plus it says passport OR driver's license.

BASIC REQUIREMENTS

• Four (4) original duly accomplished Report of Marriage Contracted Abroad form signed by the husband and wife;
• Four (4) identical passport-size colored photographs for each of the spouses in white or royal blue background taken within the last six months;
• One (1) original and four (4) photocopies of the Marriage Certificate or Record showing the number of marriages contracted by the parties and issued by the Office of the Vital Records or any other appropriate office of the State where the marriage took place. If the number of contracted marriages do not show, one certified copy and two regular copies of the marriage license showing the number of marriage must be additionally submitted;
• If the former spouse is deceased, one (1) original/certified true copy and four (4) photocopies of the death certificate and the marriage certificate with the deceased spouse;
• If divorced/previous marriage is annulled by a foreign court, the foreign judgement must be recognized by a Philippine Court. Present one (1) original and four (4) copies of the Annotated Marriage Certificate issued by the NSO;
• If previous marrige is annulled in the Philippines, present one (1) original and four (4) copies of the final order issued by the Philippine RTC and one (1) original and four (4) copies of the Annotated Marriage Certificate issued by the NSO;
• One (1) original/certified true copy and four (4) photocopies of currently valid passport or State-issued driver license of the contracting parties;
• Payment of non-refundable processing fee of US$25.00 (if applying by mail, only money order, certified or cashier’s check payable to the Philippine Consulate General New York; personal check is not accepted);
• If application for report is filed more than 30 days after the date of marriage, an original and four (4) photocopies of the Notarized Affidavit of Explanation for delayed registration by the applicants;
• The Consular Officer may require additional proof or documents from the applicant/s to determine their citizenship, identity or eligibility for registration of marriage under Philippine laws.

See more at: http://www.newyorkpcg.org/our-services/civil-registry/report-of-marriage#sthash.VASxb9iY.dpuf

Other point is New York doesn't represent the state you were married in, Washington DC does.

http://www.philippinesusa.org/philippines/consulate-finder-main/

Edited January 22, 2015 by defeedme

[Hank_ 9,174]

she has no other I.D. yet and original/certified true copy IS the actual passport..

http://www.***removed***/immigration/certified-copy.html

No it is not. The actual passport is NOT a COPY.... let alone an original/certified copy. Copy is a copy of an original document.

(I also see I was confusing you with another poster as you were married in NY, so my there)

I hope others pop in that have processed through the consulate in NY ... they will ease your mind.

Edited January 22, 2015 by Hank_

[defeedme 4]

interesting.. but I'm just going by what the official definition of "Certified True Copy" means...

I guess we can try to send in regular copies and see what happens. Doesn't hurt I guess, nothin to lose

But getting back to the original question, if we delay ROM until we get back - will all be OK getting married in a philippine church, travel and getting her K2 6yr old ?

She has her combo card and we did an infopass to make sure travel was ok, and they said yes.

Thanks

No it is not. The actual passport is NOT a COPY.... let alone an original/certified copy. Copy is a copy of an original document.

(I also see I was confusing you with another poster as you were married in NY, so my there)

I hope others pop in that have processed through the consulate in NY ... they will ease your mind.

[Hank_ 9,174]

1st - you are not getting married in a Philippine church. You are already married. You are just doing a re-creation/renewal of vows, not an actual marriage.... there are no requirements, except for what the church may or may not require... some churches will not allow you to do a renewal of vows if you were not originally married within their church. There is no marriage license... there is NOTHING.

2nd - there is no issue delaying ROM, you may have to write an explanation letter to the consulate explaining why you delayed filing but that is it.

Do remember you are NOT dealing with the state of New York so their requirements don't really matter, you are dealing with the consulate of the Philippines. The consulate itself may be very happy with a notary endorsed photocopy.

Edited January 22, 2015 by Hank_

[defeedme 4]

thanks! your the best, definitely alleviates a lot of stress we are having

1st - you are not getting married in a Philippine church. You are already married. You are just doing a re-creation/renewal of vows, not an actual marriage.... there are no requirements, except for what the church may or may not require... some churches will not allow you to do a renewal of vows if you were not originally married within their church. There is no marriage license... there is NOTHING.

2nd - there is no issue delaying ROM, you may have to write an explanation letter to the consulate explaining why you delayed filing but that is it.

Do remember you are NOT dealing with the state of New York so their requirements don't really matter, you are dealing with the consulate of the Philippines. The consulate itself may be very happy with a notary endorsed photocopy.

[defeedme 4]

Hi, just a quick question, without the ROM I guess getting the Balikbayan visa could be an issue for me ?

http://www.newyorkpcg.org/our-services/visa/balikbayan-privileges-and-benefits

[Hank_ 9,174]

Hi, just a quick question, without the ROM I guess getting the Balikbayan visa could be an issue for me ?

http://www.newyorkpcg.org/our-services/visa/balikbayan-privileges-and-benefits

Nope, not an issue, just show them a copy of your marriage certificate. You will have a copy of your marriage certificate with you anyway if you are using your married name on the green card and maiden name on the passport.

[_Paul&Jesica_ 70]

Huh? You don't send your passports in with ROM.

http://www.philippinesusa.info/uploads/pdfs/Report%20of%20Marriage.pdf

Report of Marriage between Filipinos or a Filipino and a Foreign National

The marriage of a Filipino should be reported to and registered with the Philippine National Statistics Office through the Embassy/Consulate General having jurisdiction over the locality where the event took place. Please check the Consulate Finder or the Consulates Link for the states covered by the Embassy/Consulates General in the U.S.

BASIC REQUIREMENTS:

1. Four (4) original duly-accomplished Report of Marriage Contracted Abroad form, typed or printed legibly in black or blue ink, signed by both husband and wife. Wives should indicate their maiden name as the last name. If submitting by mail, the completed forms must be notarized.
2. One (1) original or certified true copy and four (4) photocopies of the Marriage Certificate or Contract (original will be returned)
3. Four (4) photocopies of a government-issued identification card or passport of both husband and wife
4. Four (4) photocopies of Philippine birth certificate of Filipino spouse
5. Self-addressed return envelope, with appropriate stamps for express or priority mail with tracking numbers via US Postal Service, or with pre-paid mailing envelope from private courier of choice, if Report of Marriage is to be mailed back.
6. Processing fee of $25.00 (non-refundable), payable in cash, or money order, bank draft, certified check or cashier’s check, made payable to "Embassy of the Philippines" (or "Philippine Consulate General", if application is made at one of the Philippine Consulates General in the U.S.). Personal checks and credit cards are not accepted.
7. For applicants residing in U.S. territories or other countries within the jurisdiction of the Philippine Embassy, applicants should enclose a treasurer’s, manager’s or certified check issued by a local bank that has a corresponding bank in the U.S., payable to the courier of choice, in U.S. dollars, to cover cost of mailing, and a corresponding self-addressed courier’s address label. Personal checks are not accepted.

Note: The Philippine Embassy/Consulate General assumes no responsibility for any delay or loss in the mail, or while the documents are in the custody of the courier service. The applicant should note the tracking numbers of all envelopes used and submitted.

ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS

A. IF FILIPINO SPOUSE WAS PREVIOUSLY MARRIED AND DIVORCED, OR PREVIOUSLY MARRIED AND MARRIAGE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY ANNULLED

One (1) original or certified true copy and four (4) photocopies of the Judicial Decree of Divorce or Annulment (original will be returned)

I didn't think passport was needed either. However, my wife was asked to show it when we filed ROM at the LA consulate in December. We didn't have it because my wife was also getting a visa so we can go to France and she visited the French consulate first and she had to leave her passport with them. We didn't expect that we needed to show a passport but they insisted.

I complained that passport wasn't listed as a requirement on their website, then we were handed a paper document where it said that it was required.... I asked to them to update their website. We worked out a compromise and I was able to email them a copy that I had online and they accepted that.

[defeedme 4]

Peerfect she has married name on EAD/combo card.. and ss card.. Hank did I tell you your the best ? hehee do you have a paypal donation email or link ?

Thanks!

Nope, not an issue, just show them a copy of your marriage certificate. You will have a copy of your marriage certificate with you anyway if you are using your married name on the green card and maiden name on the passport.

[defeedme 4]

yep kinda figured they need real passports.. anyway My Dad went to the NY consulate today because they never answer the phone or return emails.. So when he finally got to the correct window the guy had his ear glued to his cell phone and hardly gave my Dad the time of day. After my Dad explained we are leaving from Nevada to go to the Philippines he finally responded that we can do the ROM at the DFA in Manila. Not sure if that's correct info but that's what the guy said and he processes the ROM's for New York. I guess that's an option if some church insists on seeing the ROM. He also mentioned it's much harder to do it through the mail than in person..

I didn't think passport was needed either. However, my wife was asked to show it when we filed ROM at the LA consulate in December. We didn't have it because my wife was also getting a visa so we can go to France and she visited the French consulate first and she had to leave her passport with them. We didn't expect that we needed to show a passport but they insisted.

I complained that passport wasn't listed as a requirement on their website, then we were handed a paper document where it said that it was required.... I asked to them to update their website. We worked out a compromise and I was able to email them a copy that I had online and they accepted that.

[Hank_ 9,174]

... jeez, what can one say, dealing with the consulate is like a short trip to the Philippines.. sort of like a "taste of home"

[Greenbaum 12,259]

I don't understand the "phone guy" at the window in NY Consulate stating "it is harder to do it through the mail then in person". Well duhhhh.... put the phone down and address the applicant (Dad) in a professional manner and it wouldn't be harder for them to do it by mail. Applicant does the paperwork, you "phone guy" check for completeness, then you "phone guy" places the paperwork in the envelope and it is sent off to the carrier to the Phil and DFA does the paperwork on their end and poof they return it to "phone guy". "phone guy" addresses an envelope with applicants information, licks the stamp and puts in the USPS (which is reliable) and applicant gets her new passport. Why is common sense so hard to learn.

Edited January 24, 2015 by Greenbaum