White Unemployment 5.3% -- Black Unemployment 11.4%

[lostinblue 1,989]

Nothing you said explains why EDUCATED blacks graduating from college has the highest unemployment. I didn't ask you about blacks having antI-educational attitudes because this would imply if blacks changed this attitude and went to college and got an education society would accept them more, because they would be educated. This apparently does not hold true per the data.

(Anti-education attitude needs to be condemned strongly) Foolish assumptions black people are anti-educational because the numbers clearly show blacks graduating and attending college. When will other blacks who are doing what needs to be done stop being held liable for what other blacks are not doing.

MY PERSONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS SHOULD NOT BE HELD VALUABLE DEPENDING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S NON-ACCOMPLISHMENTS!!

This is like telling you that you are personally responsible for the Colorado shooter or the shooter in Connecticut. What does this have to do with you as a person and your own values? Diddly chit!

Nothing you said explains why EDUCATED blacks graduating from college has have the highest unemployment

Undocumented democrats are taking many jobs in this country. But if you support them then please do not complain. (From talking with an immigration lawyer .. You would be astonished how many folks from Canada (undocumented democrats)are working in this country.. Professionally...

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Nothing you said explains why EDUCATED blacks graduating from college has have the highest unemployment

Undocumented democrats are taking many jobs in this country. But if you support them then please do not complain. (From talking with an immigration lawyer .. You would be astonished how many folks from Canada (undocumented democrats)are working in this country.. Professionally...

So you just pointed out, blacks are the last pick, even if they have an education.

Thank you for acknowledging this.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Guess you're not Asian then.

You are dead to me now, NB.

Are you a lawyer ?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Nothing you said explains why EDUCATED blacks graduating from college has have the highest unemployment

Undocumented democrats are taking many jobs in this country. But if you support them then please do not complain. (From talking with an immigration lawyer .. You would be astonished how many folks from Canada (undocumented democrats)are working in this country.. Professionally...

What would be your explanation?

[B_J 2,752]

lol. Can't figure out how to google that up yourself?

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Asians must be really bad people because they have the lowest unemployment rate either with or without high school degrees, the top two unemployment categories. Let's see - the black unemployment rate is cut by 65.7% through the educational ranks.

Can you see by the chart who education seems to help the least, and who it helps the most? Education helps blacks the most.

I have children for which education is our life priority. So to me, this anti-education stance of yours is incredible. How can a thinking person speak negatively against education for blacks when it is such a huge force in reduction of unemployment? Are you anti-education for just blacks or is it equal-opportunity anti-education for all?

While I don't always agree with Janelle, this chart seems back up part of what she is saying. ( I could be wrong, of course, because I'm just not very smart )

Look at college graduates - there is a higher unemployment rate for the Blacks than all other groups.

Look at the Blacks with an Associates Degree - Every Asian group has a lower unemployment rate. In fact, for every other ethnicity, just having some college is better than being Black with an Associates.

Things do improve for the Blacks with education - but they still seem to be behind all other ethnic groups.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

While I don't always agree with Janelle, this chart seems back up part of what she is saying. ( I could be wrong, of course, because I'm just not very smart )

Look at college graduates - there is a higher unemployment rate for the Blacks than all other groups.

Look at the Blacks with an Associates Degree - Every Asian group has a lower unemployment rate. In fact, for every other ethnicity, just having some college is better than being Black with an Associates.

Things do improve for the Blacks with education - but they still seem to be behind all other ethnic groups.

Wonder why this is.

[lostinblue 1,989]

Wonder why this is.

Correct English structure during a job interview would be a help.

Nothing you said explains why EDUCATED blacks graduating from college has have the highest unemployment

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Correct English structure during a job interview would be a help.

Nothing you said explains why EDUCATED blacks graduating from college has have the highest unemployment

What would be your explanation?

[lostinblue 1,989]

What would be your explanation?

You need to get past the job interview to get the job... Ebonics may be PC today but it will not work at the interview. ... I know it may be hard for you to understand.... but in management positions often you are interviewed by up to a half dozen folks at once. Some are looking for a reason to hire you ...Some are looking for a reason why you would not be a good fit .. Basic grammar structure

This Embarrasses You and I* Grammar Gaffes Invade the Office in an Age of Informal Email, Texting and Twitter

By

Sue Shellenbarger

Updated June 20, 2012 12:01 a.m. ET

When Caren Berg told colleagues at a recent staff meeting, "There's new people you should meet," her boss Don Silver broke in, says Ms. Berg, a senior vice president at a Fort Lauderdale, Fla., marketing and crisis-communications company.

"I cringe every time I hear" people misuse "is" for "are," Mr. Silver says. The company's chief operations officer, Mr. Silver also hammers interns to stop peppering sentences with "like." For years, he imposed a 25-cent fine on new hires for each offense. "I am losing the battle," he says.

Employers say the grammar skills of people they hire are getting worse, a recent survey shows. But language is evolving so fast that old rules of usage are eroding. Sue Shellenbarger has details on Lunch Break. Illustration: John S. Dykes.

Managers are fighting an epidemic of grammar gaffes in the workplace. Many of them attribute slipping skills to the informality of email, texting and Twitter where slang and shortcuts are common. Such looseness with language can create bad impressions with clients, ruin marketing materials and cause communications errors, many managers say.

There's no easy fix. Some bosses and co-workers step in to correct mistakes, while others consult business-grammar guides for help. In a survey conducted earlier this year, about 45% of 430 employers said they were increasing employee-training programs to improve employees' grammar and other skills, according to the Society for Human Resource Management and AARP.

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"I'm shocked at the rampant illiteracy" on Twitter, says Bryan A. Garner, author of "Garner's Modern American Usage" and president of LawProse, a Dallas training and consulting firm. He has compiled a list of 30 examples of "uneducated English," such as saying "I could care less," instead of "I couldn't care less," or, "He expected Helen and I to help him," instead of "Helen and me."

Leslie Ferrier says she was aghast at letters employees were sending to customers at a Jersey City, N.J., hair- and skin-product marketer when she joined the firm in 2009. The letters included grammar and style mistakes and were written "as if they were speaking to a friend," says Ms. Ferrier, a human-resources executive. She had employees use templates to eliminate mistakes and started training programs in business writing.

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Readers weigh in on the grammar gaffes and malapropisms that make them fume. Share yours.

Most participants in the Society for Human Resource Management-AARP survey blame younger workers for the skills gap. Tamara Erickson, an author and consultant on generational issues, says the problem isn't a lack of skill among 20- and 30-somethings. Accustomed to texting and social networking, "they've developed a new norm," Ms. Erickson says.

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At RescueTime, for example, grammar rules have never come up. At the Seattle-based maker of personal-productivity software, most employees are in their 30s. Sincerity and clarity expressed in "140 characters and sound bytes" are seen as hallmarks of good communication—not "the king's grammar," says Jason Grimes, 38, vice president of product marketing. "Those who can be sincere, and still text and Twitter and communicate on Facebook—those are the ones who are going to succeed."

Also, some grammar rules aren't clear, leaving plenty of room for disagreement. Tom Kamenick battled fellow attorneys at a Milwaukee, Wis., public-interest law firm over use of "the Oxford comma"—an additional comma placed before the "and" or "or" in a series of nouns. Leaving it out can change the meaning of a sentence, Mr. Kamenick says: The sentence, "The greatest influences in my life are my sisters, Oprah Winfrey and Madonna," means something different from the sentence, "The greatest influences in my life are my sisters, Oprah Winfrey, and Madonna," he says. (The first sentence implies the writer has two celebrity sisters; the second says the sisters and the stars are different individuals.) After Mr. Kamenick asserted in digital edits of briefs and papers that "I was willing to go to war on that one," he says, colleagues backed down, either because they were convinced, or "for the sake of their own sanity and workplace decorum."

Patricia T. O'Conner, author of a humorous guidebook for people who struggle with grammar, fields workplace disputes on a blog she cowrites, Grammarphobia. "These disagreements can get pretty contentious," Ms. O'Conner says. One employee complained that his boss ordered him to make a memo read, "for John and I," rather than the correct usage, "for John and me," Ms. O'Conner says.

In workplace-training programs run by Jack Appleman, a Monroe, N.Y., corporate writing instructor, "people are banging the table," yelling or high-fiving each other during grammar contests he stages, he says. "People get passionate about grammar," says Mr. Appleman, author of a book on business writing.

Christopher Telano, chief internal auditor at the New York City Health and Hospitals Corp., has employees circulate their reports to co-workers to review for accuracy and grammar, he says. He coaches auditors to use action verbs such as "verify" and "confirm" and tells them to write below a 12th-grade reading level so it can be easily understood.

Mr. Garner, the usage expert, requires all job applicants at his nine-employee firm—including people who just want to pack boxes—to pass spelling and grammar tests before he will hire them. And he requires employees to have at least two other people copy-edit and make corrections to every important email and letter that goes out.

"Twenty-five years ago it was impossible to put your hands on something that hadn't been professionally copy-edited," Mr. Garner says. "Today, it is actually hard to put your hands on something that has been professionally copy-edited."

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303410404577466662919275448

Mr. Garner, the usage expert, requires all job applicants at his nine-employee firm—including people who just want to pack boxes—to pass spelling and grammar tests before he will hire them. And he requires employees to have at least two other people copy-edit and make corrections to every important email and letter that goes out.

Just blame being black for your problems.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So you're saying that educated blacks aren't coherent or literate?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

You need to get past the job interview to get the job... Ebonics may be PC today but it will not work at the interview. ... I know it may be hard for you to understand.... but in management positions often you are interviewed by up to a half dozen folks at once. Some are looking for a reason to hire you ...Some are looking for a reason why you would not be a good fit .. Basic grammar structure

This Embarrasses You and I* Grammar Gaffes Invade the Office in an Age of Informal Email, Texting and Twitter

By

Sue Shellenbarger

Updated June 20, 2012 12:01 a.m. ET

When Caren Berg told colleagues at a recent staff meeting, "There's new people you should meet," her boss Don Silver broke in, says Ms. Berg, a senior vice president at a Fort Lauderdale, Fla., marketing and crisis-communications company.

"I cringe every time I hear" people misuse "is" for "are," Mr. Silver says. The company's chief operations officer, Mr. Silver also hammers interns to stop peppering sentences with "like." For years, he imposed a 25-cent fine on new hires for each offense. "I am losing the battle," he says.

Employers say the grammar skills of people they hire are getting worse, a recent survey shows. But language is evolving so fast that old rules of usage are eroding. Sue Shellenbarger has details on Lunch Break. Illustration: John S. Dykes.

Managers are fighting an epidemic of grammar gaffes in the workplace. Many of them attribute slipping skills to the informality of email, texting and Twitter where slang and shortcuts are common. Such looseness with language can create bad impressions with clients, ruin marketing materials and cause communications errors, many managers say.

There's no easy fix. Some bosses and co-workers step in to correct mistakes, while others consult business-grammar guides for help. In a survey conducted earlier this year, about 45% of 430 employers said they were increasing employee-training programs to improve employees' grammar and other skills, according to the Society for Human Resource Management and AARP.

How's Your Grammar?

Take a quiz to test your skills.

View Graphics

• More photos and interactive graphics

"I'm shocked at the rampant illiteracy" on Twitter, says Bryan A. Garner, author of "Garner's Modern American Usage" and president of LawProse, a Dallas training and consulting firm. He has compiled a list of 30 examples of "uneducated English," such as saying "I could care less," instead of "I couldn't care less," or, "He expected Helen and I to help him," instead of "Helen and me."

Leslie Ferrier says she was aghast at letters employees were sending to customers at a Jersey City, N.J., hair- and skin-product marketer when she joined the firm in 2009. The letters included grammar and style mistakes and were written "as if they were speaking to a friend," says Ms. Ferrier, a human-resources executive. She had employees use templates to eliminate mistakes and started training programs in business writing.

At Work

Readers weigh in on the grammar gaffes and malapropisms that make them fume. Share yours.

Most participants in the Society for Human Resource Management-AARP survey blame younger workers for the skills gap. Tamara Erickson, an author and consultant on generational issues, says the problem isn't a lack of skill among 20- and 30-somethings. Accustomed to texting and social networking, "they've developed a new norm," Ms. Erickson says.

Enlarge Image

At RescueTime, for example, grammar rules have never come up. At the Seattle-based maker of personal-productivity software, most employees are in their 30s. Sincerity and clarity expressed in "140 characters and sound bytes" are seen as hallmarks of good communication—not "the king's grammar," says Jason Grimes, 38, vice president of product marketing. "Those who can be sincere, and still text and Twitter and communicate on Facebook—those are the ones who are going to succeed."

Also, some grammar rules aren't clear, leaving plenty of room for disagreement. Tom Kamenick battled fellow attorneys at a Milwaukee, Wis., public-interest law firm over use of "the Oxford comma"—an additional comma placed before the "and" or "or" in a series of nouns. Leaving it out can change the meaning of a sentence, Mr. Kamenick says: The sentence, "The greatest influences in my life are my sisters, Oprah Winfrey and Madonna," means something different from the sentence, "The greatest influences in my life are my sisters, Oprah Winfrey, and Madonna," he says. (The first sentence implies the writer has two celebrity sisters; the second says the sisters and the stars are different individuals.) After Mr. Kamenick asserted in digital edits of briefs and papers that "I was willing to go to war on that one," he says, colleagues backed down, either because they were convinced, or "for the sake of their own sanity and workplace decorum."

Patricia T. O'Conner, author of a humorous guidebook for people who struggle with grammar, fields workplace disputes on a blog she cowrites, Grammarphobia. "These disagreements can get pretty contentious," Ms. O'Conner says. One employee complained that his boss ordered him to make a memo read, "for John and I," rather than the correct usage, "for John and me," Ms. O'Conner says.

In workplace-training programs run by Jack Appleman, a Monroe, N.Y., corporate writing instructor, "people are banging the table," yelling or high-fiving each other during grammar contests he stages, he says. "People get passionate about grammar," says Mr. Appleman, author of a book on business writing.

Christopher Telano, chief internal auditor at the New York City Health and Hospitals Corp., has employees circulate their reports to co-workers to review for accuracy and grammar, he says. He coaches auditors to use action verbs such as "verify" and "confirm" and tells them to write below a 12th-grade reading level so it can be easily understood.

Mr. Garner, the usage expert, requires all job applicants at his nine-employee firm—including people who just want to pack boxes—to pass spelling and grammar tests before he will hire them. And he requires employees to have at least two other people copy-edit and make corrections to every important email and letter that goes out.

"Twenty-five years ago it was impossible to put your hands on something that hadn't been professionally copy-edited," Mr. Garner says. "Today, it is actually hard to put your hands on something that has been professionally copy-edited."

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303410404577466662919275448

Mr. Garner, the usage expert, requires all job applicants at his nine-employee firm—including people who just want to pack boxes—to pass spelling and grammar tests before he will hire them. And he requires employees to have at least two other people copy-edit and make corrections to every important email and letter that goes out.

Just blame being black for your problems.

What evidence is there that black college graduates aren't speaking proper English? Or do you really think a person with an Associates or Bachelor degree speaks in slang?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What our self-proclaimed head racist is naturally ignoring is that a) one needs to get a job interview to get past it...

Employers' Replies to Racial Names

"Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback."

A job applicant with a name that sounds like it might belong to an African-American - say, Lakisha Washington or Jamal Jones - can find it harder to get a job. Despite laws against discrimination, affirmative action, a degree of employer enlightenment, and the desire by some businesses to enhance profits by hiring those most qualified regardless of race, African-Americans are twice as likely as whites to be unemployed and they earn nearly 25 percent less when they are employed.

Now a "field experiment" by NBER Faculty Research Fellows Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan measures this discrimination in a novel way. In response to help-wanted ads in Chicago and Boston newspapers, they sent resumes with either African-American- or white-sounding names and then measured the number of callbacks each resume received for interviews. Thus, they experimentally manipulated perception of race via the name on the resume. Half of the applicants were assigned African-American names that are "remarkably common" in the black population, the other half white sounding names, such as Emily Walsh or Greg Baker.

To see how the credentials of job applicants affect discrimination, the authors varied the quality of the resumes they used in response to a given ad. Higher quality applicants were given a little more labor market experience on average and fewer holes in their employment history. They were also portrayed as more likely to have an email address, to have completed some certification degree, to possess foreign language skills, or to have been awarded some honors.

In total, the authors responded to more than 1,300 employment ads in the sales, administrative support, clerical, and customer services job categories, sending out nearly 5,000 resumes. The ads covered a large spectrum of job quality, from cashier work at retail establishments and clerical work in a mailroom to office and sales management positions.

The results indicate large racial differences in callback rates to a phone line with a voice mailbox attached and a message recorded by someone of the appropriate race and gender. Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback. This would suggest either employer prejudice or employer perception that race signals lower productivity.

...and b) it's harder to get past it when one is not white. It's not language driven.

Is racial discrimination a thing of the past?

Debates about the relevance of discrimination in today's society have been difficult to resolve, in part because of the challenges in identifying, measuring, and documenting its presence or absence in all but extreme cases. Discrimination is rarely something that can be observed explicitly.

To address these issues, I recently conducted a series of experiments investigating employment discrimination. In these experiments, which took place in Milwaukee and New York City, I hired young men to pose as job applicants, assigning them resumes with equal levels of education and experience, and sending them to apply for real entry-level job openings all over the city.

Team members also alternated presenting information about a fictitious criminal record (a drug felony), which they “fessed up to” on the application form. During nearly a year of fieldwork, teams of testers audited hundreds of employers, applying for a wide range of entry level jobs such as waiters, sales assistants, laborers, warehouse workers, couriers, and customer service representatives.

The results of these studies were startling. Among those with no criminal record, white applicants were more than twice as likely to receive a callback relative to equally qualified black applicants.

Even more troubling, whites with a felony conviction fared just as well, if not better, than a black applicant with a clean background.

Racial disparities have been documented in many contexts, but here, comparing the two job applicants side by side, we are confronted with a troubling reality: Being black in America today is just about the same as having a felony conviction in terms of one’s chances of finding a job.

The young black men posing as job applicants in this study were bright college kids, models of discipline and hard work; and yet, even in this best case scenario, these applicants were routinely overlooked simply on the basis of the color of their skin. The results of this study suggest that black men must work at least twice as hard as equally qualified whites simply to overcome the stigma of their skin color.

What is being done to combat discrimination? Unfortunately, very little enforcement exists for acts of discrimination at the point of hire. The adequate enforcement of antidiscrimination laws represents an vital priority.

At the same time, it is important to remember that the problems of discrimination cannot be eliminated through enforcement alone. Racial stereotypes, though often exaggerated distortions of reality, are fueled in part by real associations between race, crime, and incarceration. Tackling these social problems at their root—including inadequate schools, neighborhood instability, and a lack of employment opportunities—are likely to represent among the most far-reaching interventions.

Discrimination is not the only cause of contemporary racial discrimination, nor even the most important factor. But because it is usually so difficult to observe, it is easy to forget about altogether. It is important that we remain mindful of the realities of direct discrimination, so that those who are working hard to get ahead are given a fair break.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

What our self-proclaimed head racist is naturally ignoring is that a) one needs to get a job interview to get past it...

...and b) it's harder to get past it when one is not white. It's not language driven.

I've posted this a few times, and it's debunked every time. Not sure how it gets debunked(BS I believe is the term)....

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I've posted this a few times, and it's debunked every time. Not sure how it gets debunked(BS I believe is the term)....

It's not debunked, it's merely discarded as inconvenient and thus necessarily not true. Those that are driven by hate and/or fear, won't be swayed by facts. Ever.

[JohnR! 5,495]

There is no evidence, other than the one fabricated by the poster. Welcome to the Twilight Zone...

What evidence is there that black college graduates aren't speaking proper English? Or do you really think a person with an Associates or Bachelor degree speaks in slang?