Pennsylvania mother who gave daughter abortion pill gets prison(title edited)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That rationale only makes sense if you lack the ability to analyse the idiosyncrasies inherent in different issues.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

That rationale only makes sense if you lack the ability to analyse the idiosyncrasies inherent in different issues.

Agreed.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Buying an abortion pill on the internet and going to the doctor to get the abortion is the same thing. (We have day after pills)

What would have been the difference if they flew to Europe, landed in the airport, had the pill delivered to the airport? Would this have still been against the law if they were in another country when they did it at the time?

Not to say I am for or against abortions, just saying, if they were able to go to the doctor, it would have been done anyway.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

So it's ok to kill babies by the thousands, but if someone attacks you or breaks into your home you're supposed to ask them politely to leave and not to hurt you because if you shoot them that's excessive use of force. That is some mighty fvcked up logic.

that's the law. The article is not about abortion or its legality (and its not about owning guns or protecting yourself inside your home). Its about buying a drug to accomplish something that is otherwise legal to do.

[Curmudgeon 227]

The law is a good law, abortions should not have to be performed by those not qualified to perform abortions, it's a law that is designed to minimize the risk to mothers during abortion procedures. What it is NOT is a law to harass those who want an abortion. Those who laud measures to reduce the availability for legal abortions to those that need them should think on, but of course they will not.

[Curmudgeon 227]

prosecution of a Florida man who pleaded guilty to tricking his girlfriend into taking an abortion pill. He was sentenced in January to 13 years in prison and $28,500 restitution. In June, Florida toughened state law to allow for prosecutions in the death of non-viable fetuses.

So this man is doing 13 years for what??? The intent in both cases is to kill the child. correct... It was done by someone other than a medical professional.

You seem to believe that the law is designed to stop abortions. It's not. The law is designed to stop people performing abortions without the attendance of qualified medical staff in order to protect the health of the mother from those who would otherwise feel free to perform abortions in all kinds of unpleasant and risky ways to get the job done cheaply.

that's the law. The article is not about abortion or its legality (and its not about owning guns or protecting yourself inside your home). Its about buying a drug to accomplish something that is otherwise legal to do.

No. Abortion is legal. Abortion however must be performed by qualified medical personnel. This is for the public good.

[GandD 5,966]

Werd.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You seem to believe that the law is designed to stop abortions. It's not. The law is designed to stop people performing abortions without the attendance of qualified medical staff in order to protect the health of the mother from those who would otherwise feel free to perform abortions in all kinds of unpleasant and risky ways to get the job done cheaply.

No. Abortion is legal. Abortion however must be performed by qualified medical personnel. This is for the public good.

That's as I read it.

Again everyone seems to have ignored here is why someone would take the DIY route rather than go to the Doctor. When a visit to a hospital can run to many thousands of dollars, I don't think it's too surprising that someone would look for a cheaper, more risky option.

[GandD 5,966]

That doesn't make it right. It especially isn't right to do that to her daughter. She was probably ignorant to the risks and embarrassed of the whole situation. Well......Life happens.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That doesn't make it right. It especially isn't right to do that to her daughter. She was probably ignorant to the risks and embarrassed of the whole situation. Well......Life happens.

Of course it doesn't make it right. It certainly says something though that people can get into a mindset that they would rather refuse treatment or self-medicate with dodgy drugs they've bought on the internet rather than participate in the healthcare system because they're afraid of being bankrupted.

I don't agree with it, but I can certainly sympathise

[Curmudgeon 227]

It's a US mindset. Doctors are perceived by many to be charlatans who withhold the 'good medicine' that is cheap in favor of prescribing expensive medication that does no good at all and makes money for the drug companies. It is a result of the system in place. The system does encourage the use of drugs that are profitable but doctors are not complete bastards who don't care and the internet is not a good place to purchase the drugs to self medicate. It is utter nonsense that these herbal concoctions are miracle drugs 'doctor's and the government do not want you to know about' and buying serious prescription drugs on line and using them without medical supervision is downright stupid.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

No. Abortion is legal. Abortion however must be performed by qualified medical personnel. This is for the public good.

Everyone knows we are talking about abortions.. If I take the time to debate fetus/baby/etc/etc that is all the debate would be so I just use their language "killin' babies" and we can continue without the whole when does life start rehash redo.. Alas I was one post shy of being right - somebody always finds a way to be offended.

..and I never said I agreed with what the girls mother did, depending on where she was in the pregnancy a doctor should have been involved.. What I said was that it serves no purpose to lock her up for any period of time.

One more thing since you commented on it: When it comes to abortions there are all sorts of laws put into place in the guise of "safety" that are in fact designed to make it more difficult to obtain them or perform the procedure.

Edited September 7, 2014 by OnMyWayID

[Janelle2002 3,865]

It's a US mindset. Doctors are perceived by many to be charlatans who withhold the 'good medicine' that is cheap in favor of prescribing expensive medication that does no good at all and makes money for the drug companies. It is a result of the system in place. The system does encourage the use of drugs that are profitable but doctors are not complete bastards who don't care and the internet is not a good place to purchase the drugs to self medicate. It is utter nonsense that these herbal concoctions are miracle drugs 'doctor's and the government do not want you to know about' and buying serious prescription drugs on line and using them without medical supervision is downright stupid.

But how do you pick a good doctor that cares and is not out to take your money?

Hey, herbal things work. I have seen it with my own eyes. Spend some time in South Asia. I have seen cured urinary tract infections, sprained ankles and constipation taken care of without prescribed drugs. Some mixed up leaves from some trees and little heat treatment was all it took.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It's a US mindset. Doctors are perceived by many to be charlatans who withhold the 'good medicine' that is cheap in favor of prescribing expensive medication that does no good at all and makes money for the drug companies. It is a result of the system in place. The system does encourage the use of drugs that are profitable but doctors are not complete bastards who don't care and the internet is not a good place to purchase the drugs to self medicate. It is utter nonsense that these herbal concoctions are miracle drugs 'doctor's and the government do not want you to know about' and buying serious prescription drugs on line and using them without medical supervision is downright stupid.

Oh I agree. I think it's very common though.

One of my friends in California had a mini-stroke about 6 years ago - luckily it wasn't too severe, but he checked himself out of the hospital after a couple of days because he imagined the charges ticking up on an hourly basis.

I understand why he did it, but it's a horrible thought process to go through.

[GandD 5,966]

Of course it doesn't make it right. It certainly says something though that people can get into a mindset that they would rather refuse treatment or self-medicate with dodgy drugs they've bought on the internet rather than participate in the healthcare system because they're afraid of being bankrupted.

I don't agree with it, but I can certainly sympathise

Well I don't think abortion is covered under any healthcare plan. Well, at least not this type. Is it anywhere?