Muslim clerics tell man he must divorce woman carrying his father's child

[Curmudgeon 227]

Really?

BTW, Rand looks like Rory Bremner doing Tony Blair. I could never take him seriously, I keep expecting satire.

[sandinista! 1,816]

the video record that he did to keep the women from telling should take care of the four witnesses when viewed for evidence

No. I can understand the ignorance coming from other commenters, but how on earth do you not know this?

There is no religious basis for four rape witnesses to prove a rape occurred. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Four witnesses are required for consensual but illicit under shariah sex acts so that such acts can be forgiven and the perpetrators can move on with their lives hopefully repentant. It was purposefully made preposterously difficult to prove because consensual sex in those circumstances is a victimless 'crime'. It has nothing to do with crimes where there are victims, where there is no consent. Never has, never will.

[sara..... 371]

No. I can understand the ignorance coming from other commenters, but how on earth do you not know this?

There is no religious basis for four rape witnesses to prove a rape occurred. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Four witnesses are required for consensual but illicit under shariah sex acts so that such acts can be forgiven and the perpetrators can move on with their lives hopefully repentant. It was purposefully made preposterously difficult to prove because consensual sex in those circumstances is a victimless 'crime'. It has nothing to do with crimes where there are victims, where there is no consent. Never has, never will.

Its not that I dont know it but trying to teach someone that has already quoted something they believe explains what they wish it to tell is absolutely useless ....and the person giving the quote has shown many times in the past to argue any point someone try to make by adding more quotes that if taken alone would add to the nonsense ........... so it made more sense to me to try to re leave his/her statement with something from the news statement

sara

[Dan and Judy 614]

Rape and produce 4 witnesses

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Assalamu`alaikum
Does a women who claims to have been raped has to produce 4 reliable muslim males as witnesses to avoid being punished under hudud law? or is it the responsibility of the accusor to produce the required number of witnesses to the alleged crime? or does come under hudud law at all?

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Answer:

Rape and produce 4 witnesses

In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad(saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

Q-1: Does a women who claims to have been raped has to produce 4 reliable muslim males as witnesses to avoid being punished under hudud law?

If a woman claims that she has been raped, she does not have to bring any witnesses to prove her claim; her word will be taken as truth without the need of any witnesses whatsoever. And because she claimed she was raped, she will be treated honorably and free of any wrong doing whatsoever. There is absolutely no question of any punishment for her, because she was the innocent party and a victim of the heinous crime committed against her.

But if the woman who is raped accuses that so and so specific person or people raped her, then there are only two ways an Islamic Court can convict the accused rapist/s:

The accused rapist confesses to his heinous crime; or

she produces four witnesses to justify her claim that so and so person raped her.

If the accused rapist does not confess, and the woman is unable to produce the four witnesses; then the Court can levy upon her the case of ‘kazaf’ or falsely accusing somebody.

Under no circumstances can a woman who claims she was raped be charged, accused, convicted, or punished for ‘zina’ (fornication or adultery) in an Islamic Court of Law. All she has to do is say that she was raped, and her word will be taken as the truth.

Q-2: or is it the responsibility of the accusor to produce the required number of witnesses to the alleged crime?

Even in the normal courts of this world, the burden to produce the proof always lies upon the one who accuses the other of a crime. In a rape case, it is the woman who accuses that so and so specific person or people raped her, thus she will have to produce the witnesses to enable the Islamic Court to convict the rapist/s.

But if the Islamic State bring a case of immorality against the woman who was raped, all she has to do is declare in a Shariah Court that she was raped, and the Judge will hold her absolutely free of any wrong-doing whatsoever.

Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.

Your Brother in Islam,

Burhanhttp://www.islamhelpline.net/node/905

Edited September 8, 2014 by Dan and Judy

[sandinista! 1,816]

Oh, thanks for the mansplain. That's an opinion, one that is neither binding nor beyond reproach. Note he provides zero religious context or proof for this dog ####### of an opinion, as to what is required for a conviction, and for what happens when women make an accusation of rape not in compliance with the b.s. he spews is required to do so. He's wrong, and now liable not only for disseminating false information he should know better than to spew, but also for every single rape that could have been prevented had he not been a rape culture cheerleader. Sucks to be him.

[Dan and Judy 614]

Ok well I don't want to get in the middle of feuding Muslims so I'll just run for the hills.

[sara..... 371]

Oh, thanks for the mansplain. That's an opinion, one that is neither binding nor beyond reproach. Note he provides zero religious context or proof for this dog ####### of an opinion, as to what is required for a conviction, and for what happens when women make an accusation of rape not in compliance with the b.s. he spews is required to do so. He's wrong, and now liable not only for disseminating false information he should know better than to spew, but also for every single rape that could have been prevented had he not been a rape culture cheerleader. Sucks to be him.

and if you will notice he/she has tried to provide context to prove his opinion and now is trying to also state we are two feuding Muslims instead of seeing we have two different ways of trying to deal with people set on mischief .......I try really hard not to offend anyone on OT or get into long battles about Islam its pointless i dont think you can teach someone that is set on destruction but thats just my opinion and my way and only of use for me.

sara