Moms' Group Calls Out Kroger's Gun Policy In Unprecedented New Ad Campaign

[Boiler 45,525]

Ohh

[eieio 1,594]

Thus, gun control is immoral and the people who support gun control are immoral as well.

Not only are they immoral, but they are also complete ######.

[Curmudgeon 227]

You are offering to send me some money to uproot several lives.. Just pick up and move. Makes sense I guess if you are on the welfare rolls .. But having a job and being established in a community , schools ect ... How many woman have encountered abusive husbands and ex husbands.....It is common. So bring a firearm to a family gathering against a threat that is perhaps in play... certainly.

No, I am not offering to send you money, however, that's an irrelevant tangent and you and everyone know it so let's not wander down that blind alley. If you have an obsessive abusive person in your family circle, bringing lots of guns to the family circle will not magically reduce the threat of gun violence or the chances of the abused and her family being hit by gun fire, quite the opposite. So, if you want sensible advice how to deal with this difficult and sad situation, I would advise going and getting some professional help from people who are trained how to deal with abuse, not dial 911 or attend family gatherings with weapons. The more you say about how you deal with these things, the more absurd it sounds. You are doing no one any favors with this approach.

[Curmudgeon 227]

I wont go as far as you did with the reasoning. I'll just call it totally unrelated.

I may be a naive lib, but I think my chances of getting beheaded by terrorists are non-existent living here in Texas. Owning a firearm doesn't make it any less likely. My chances of getting killed by one of the criminal illegal aliens Obama loves so much, is probably 10000 times more likely than getting my head sawed off by some religious nuts in the Middle East.

Then you didn't read the article. The entire piece was a vehicle for promoting the use of guns for personal self defense. Quite shocking that anyone would fall for this kind of thing, and to call it immoral? Morality has nothing to do with it.

Not only are they immoral, but they are also complete ######.

Morality has nothing to do with it. No one is taking your guns away from you. You can however choose to take a more responsible approach to gun ownership and suggest that for most people, owning a gun will not improve personal safety significantly, because that is the truth.

[eieio 1,594]

owning a gun will not improve personal safety significantly,

So what? If owning a gun makes someone a little safer and more importantly.....feel significantly safer.....what's the problem. Sound like a win/win to me.

If you want you can be like the foolish poster earlier that advocated staying out in a lightning storm. To seek shelter just means you are paranoid

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

is it ok to use the N word?

No.

Probably depends on who's using it.

No it doesn't.

[Sousuke 1,214]

You can't control everything that happens outside your front door. I don't see why that's 'horrible'.

Because, even if its improbable its still worth alittle effort to mitigate. I'm sure you wear a seatbelt, or carefully cross the road to avoid being hit. A little preparation is better than accepting it.

[lostinblue 1,989]

So, from watching this one family, you've concluded us Negros are violent and you need to have a gun with you. I guess white people never abuse their family members...

I have carried long before this problem came up. The question was why I would need to carry at a family gathering. An abuser twice has broken bones on his beloved ... Now the posts on face book that he either has a gun or is looking for a gun. What do you think he wants it for ?...Will he want to hunt the police ... A warrant is out for his arrest? .. Or does he desire to do harm to his wife. ? Myself he is pretty stupid as the police will consider him armed and dangerous now. Do I think a lot of black folks are violent No. I do know this man is. It is a shame a chance at a middle class family. Own a home in a nice neighborhood. A couple of well behaved children. Throw it all away. She pressed charges and the hate from his family just was showered upon her. .. From all members of his family. ...women included. ... That was an eye opener....

[Sousuke 1,214]

So what? If owning a gun makes someone a little safer and more importantly.....feel significantly safer.....what's the problem. Sound like a win/win to me.

If you want you can be like the foolish poster earlier that advocated staying out in a lightning storm. To seek shelter just means you are paranoid

Throughout this thread you probably have noticed the jabs towards gun owners who want to carry in public. I'm not sure where the hate is coming from. You have Big Dog making negative sexual comments and Curmudgeon labeling them as having issues with paranoia.

[Sousuke 1,214]

Being prepared for attack by your fellow citizens by carrying a firearm is paranoia, not sure how else to frame a less than tangible risk that carrying a gun will do almost nothing to mitigate against.

Risk assessment is doing an objective test to see what the likelihood of an event occurring actually is AND (crucially) taking reasonable steps to mitigate against said event were it to take place WITHOUT (again crucially) increasing the risk that the event might happen. So, while preparing for unlikely events can be a reasonable action, if doing so means having emergency kits that have been proven to be invaluable in emergency situations, it is only reasonable if taking the action does not significantly increase the risk of harm to the person making that provision. It's hard to argue that having an emergency kit for fire, flood, accident is going to increase the risk of harm arising by carrying it around. Carrying weapons around increases the risks to everyone, and does little to nothing to reduce the risk of attack. It's nonsensical to make comparisons like this. Most people realize this. Sensible gun owners do not have guns for self defense UNLESS they are part of a security force and even then they are well aware of the increased personal risk of carrying the gun around, they do it because they have to, not because they want to.

Paranoia requires fear and often delusional thoughts. It is a mental illness and labeling people as you do by way of stereotypes is hateful and offensive, not just towards people who own firearms, but also people with the actual mental illness.

Yes, IMO open carry does increase risks to the person and the people around them and probably increases the chance of attack. Conceal carry mitigates most of those risks IF the person has the proper training (which the majority of states require).

And don't think my examples are risk free - Vaccines have some risks of dangerous side effects, life jackets have been shown to actually drown people when put on incorrectly. In terms of the emergency kit, often first aid treatment is very dangerous not only to the victim but sometimes the caregiver without the proper training.

Edited September 7, 2014 by Sousuke

[eieio 1,594]

Throughout this thread you probably have noticed the jabs towards gun owners who want to carry in public. I'm not sure where the hate is coming from. You have Big Dog making negative sexual comments and Curmudgeon labeling them as having issues with paranoia.

Well its pretty clear they have a severe case of paranoia when it comes to guns. Talk about irrational fear.

I imagine them curling into the fetal position and quivering at the mere sight of a gun. I wonder if they would start to cry? maybe scream?

[Sousuke 1,214]

Well its pretty clear they have a severe case of paranoia when it comes to guns. Talk about irrational fear.

I imagine them curling into the fetal position and quivering at the mere sight of a gun. I wonder if they would start to cry? maybe scream?

For the record, I don't want to label anyone as having a case of paranoia. I am not a licensed physician and find such assertions in this thread offensive.

[lostinblue 1,989]

Well its pretty clear they have a severe case of paranoia when it comes to guns. Talk about irrational fear.

I imagine them curling into the fetal position and quivering at the mere sight of a gun. I wonder if they would start to cry? maybe scream?

The public school system has brain washed them well.....On both sides of the pond...

[eieio 1,594]

We might as well also eliminate the tornado and fire drills in schools.....as that's just paranoia.

Be happy...don't worry.......about anything....well except guns

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I have carried long before this problem came up. The question was why I would need to carry at a family gathering. An abuser twice has broken bones on his beloved ... Now the posts on face book that he either has a gun or is looking for a gun. What do you think he wants it for ?...Will he want to hunt the police ... A warrant is out for his arrest? .. Or does he desire to do harm to his wife. ? Myself he is pretty stupid as the police will consider him armed and dangerous now. Do I think a lot of black folks are violent No. I do know this man is. It is a shame a chance at a middle class family. Own a home in a nice neighborhood. A couple of well behaved children. Throw it all away. She pressed charges and the hate from his family just was showered upon her. .. From all members of his family. ...women included. ... That was an eye opener....

It's not race specific. I've seen it flow in reverse as well.

Money doesn't solve everything. Some people are just that way.