Mom facing prison for carrying handgun gets support from Middlesex Tea Party

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

We

We the People

We hold these truths to be self-evident,

etc etc

But "we" the people, in this case, didn't include you and those around you. You guys were the problem.

Lots of states have reciprocal rights. GA gun permits are honored in about half of the States.

Not in NJ, they are not. That's all that's relevant here.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

But "we" the people, in this case, didn't include you and those around you. You guys were the problem.

Not in NJ, they are not. That's all that's relevant here.

Context is a cruel beotch for you isn't it

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Context is a cruel beotch for you isn't it

Talking about context, you really shouldn't use words you don't understand.

[GandD 5,966]

I'm still laughing about "junk science". Awesome.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'm still laughing about "junk science". Awesome.

All science is junk to those who don't get it.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Here's the problem:

First, racism was a part of life just because. No matter what you did, it affected your life. Now, after decades of unfair treatment, the mentality has been degraded to a state in which people don't even know their own self-worth. People blame government programs as if segregation didn't have a share in that. I don't blame racism for crime, but it's a part of the bigger problem.

So, not only does a person of color have to work twice as hard, in order to be considered equal, we have to eliminate all crime within our community as well. This isn't directed at you, but it just seems like there's always a reason to discriminate against black people.

I agree, racism against blacks began for no reason other than skin color. I can't understand what that is like. The only way for me to get a taste of it would be to go someplace where 85% of the people were black and discriminated against whites. In the US, that only happens in small, local areas.

I sincerely would like to see crime statistics before 1960. Did the problem get better or worse after the Civil Rights movement? At what point did black crime get so out of proportion? I have seen reports that one out of three or one out of four black males have been in prison. That statistic is baffling to me.

I do not see any easy way to end this discrimination and stereotyping. It should be getting better, not worse. Maybe it exists all over the world and not just in the US, I truly don't know. But there is no government alone fix for this. Bussing caused resentment and made things worse. Separate but equal isn't the answer either. How do we go about reversing this? I think it starts with each of us, one at a time. But this isn't going to go away in a few years, or even decades. IMO, 50 years after Civil Rights, we should be further along. Racism is always part of it, but it is not the only part. We can only change some parts of in daily life. The deep rooted hatred, etc is going to take a long time to go,away. On both sides, because it exists in blacks too.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I agree, racism against blacks began for no reason other than skin color. I can't understand what that is like. The only way for me to get a taste of it would be to go someplace where 85% of the people were black and discriminated against whites. In the US, that only happens in small, local areas.

I sincerely would like to see crime statistics before 1960. Did the problem get better or worse after the Civil Rights movement? At what point did black crime get so out of proportion? I have seen reports that one out of three or one out of four black males have been in prison. That statistic is baffling to me.

I do not see any easy way to end this discrimination and stereotyping. It should be getting better, not worse. Maybe it exists all over the world and not just in the US, I truly don't know. But there is no government alone fix for this. Bussing caused resentment and made things worse. Separate but equal isn't the answer either. How do we go about reversing this? I think it starts with each of us, one at a time. But this isn't going to go away in a few years, or even decades. IMO, 50 years after Civil Rights, we should be further along. Racism is always part of it, but it is not the only part. We can only change some parts of in daily life. The deep rooted hatred, etc is going to take a long time to go,away. On both sides, because it exists in blacks too.

Exactly. It's not perfect. It should be better. Racism is part of it, but not all of it and it's just as bad on the other side.

[waka1 28]

Shaneen Allen, 27, obtained a license-to-carry permit and purchased a .380 Bersa Thunder handgun after she was robbed in a Philadelphia alley in July 2013. (Gary Bernard Charwin)

SOUTH AMBOY – A mother of two from Philadelphia who faces prison time for carrying a handgun in New Jersey will meet Thursday night with members of the Middlesex County Tea Party.

Shaneen Allen, 27, obtained a license-to-carry permit and purchased a .380 Bersa Thunder handgun after she was robbed in a Philadelphia alley in July 2013.

During a trip to Atlantic City last October, Allen was arrested during a traffic stop and charged with unlawful possession of a weapon and possession of hollow-point bullets.

She faces three to five years in prison.

According to media reports, Allen did not know her license was invalid in New Jersey.

This story is not about color, nor fact that she was robbed in Philly, or that she has two young children. The fact that she passed her Pennsylvania CCW course, she sure as 'shite' knew carrying a concealed pistol across state lines was a serious felony, especially in N.J.

I don't like these dumb gun laws either, but if I travel to NY and get 'popped' for concealed carry, I'm doing serious time. Yes, I have two daughters that I raised myself, but I'm not getting a pass because of it. I would be on my own period, and enjoying a long holiday in upstate Attica.

I have a very good friend who worked as a Jersey City homicide detective. If he enterers NY, by law it his lawful duty is to turn in his firearm at the nearest NY police station and claim it on the return trip. Now he's put a lot of bad dudes away, some I'm sure are in NY. If he get gets 'made' his life is in serious danger and no way to protect himself or family.

In Massachusetts, it is impossible not to break some asinine firearms law no matter how legal you are. If busted, You appear before a judge and it your word against the arresting officer...the kicker is you have no right to a trial by a jury of peers

. Vermont no gun laws to speak of and I believe it's the the most peaceful State in the nation, crime wise. Must be something in the milk....

[sara..... 371]

Lots of states have reciprocal rights. GA gun permits are honored in about half of the States.

Here in the state of Oregon when we took the cc class to be able to get our cc permit the instructor told us it is good in Oregon only ........

sara

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Here in the state of Oregon when we took the cc class to be able to get our cc permit the instructor told us it is good in Oregon only ........

sara

He lied

Your permit is valid in

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont

[sara..... 371]

He lied

Your permit is valid in

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont

Oh no a police officer that lied seems to be a growing problem........all kidding aside thank you for the information we visit Idaho a lot as we have family there

sara

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Oh no a police officer that lied seems to be a growing problem........all kidding aside thank you for the information we visit Idaho a lot as we have family there

sara

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I agree, racism against blacks began for no reason other than skin color. I can't understand what that is like. The only way for me to get a taste of it would be to go someplace where 85% of the people were black and discriminated against whites. In the US, that only happens in small, local areas.

I sincerely would like to see crime statistics before 1960. Did the problem get better or worse after the Civil Rights movement? At what point did black crime get so out of proportion? I have seen reports that one out of three or one out of four black males have been in prison. That statistic is baffling to me.

I do not see any easy way to end this discrimination and stereotyping. It should be getting better, not worse. Maybe it exists all over the world and not just in the US, I truly don't know. But there is no government alone fix for this. Bussing caused resentment and made things worse. Separate but equal isn't the answer either. How do we go about reversing this? I think it starts with each of us, one at a time. But this isn't going to go away in a few years, or even decades. IMO, 50 years after Civil Rights, we should be further along. Racism is always part of it, but it is not the only part. We can only change some parts of in daily life. The deep rooted hatred, etc is going to take a long time to go,away. On both sides, because it exists in blacks too.

I don't think you'll find that here in the US. Black businesses hire black people to help them out, not to discriminate against any other race. And most white people aren't dying to work for an all black company, but we are dying to work for you.

I've been trying to find out the stats, but all I can find are sites that call us Negros and say we've contributed nothing to society. I will say this though; crime and poverty are intertwined. Unemployment back then and even now are closely tied. Back in the 60's, black people were still living in those conditions. The middle class didn't even exist until much later. Hoods are created when black people get their own neighborhoods and the government services pack up and leave. This leaves it wide open to criminals and hoodlums who come in and destroy the neighborhood. My own city of Normandy is a prime example of this. Add to that the blatant disregard for black people in general and viola. Now we're killing each other, and folks wonder why. After generations of being told you're trash, it takes hold. Some rise above it, others don't.

This is the only answer that makes sense. Because on a grand scale, it's not going to change anytime soon. Black people in general are dealing with generations of being beat down. What folks don't understand is, when the chains came off and they were allowed to work with everyone else, the mentality hasn't changed. When people talk about immigrants coming here and making good, they're leaving out one crucial part. We live in a country, that at one point in history, they weren't even regarded as fully human. And that was mandated by Congress. 3/4, which is why they couldn't vote or receive certain rights. That's how people use to see any man or woman of color(some still do, and they're here). Think about that. A second class citizen in a country you were born in.

[Protocol417 161]

Vermont no gun laws to speak of and I believe it's the the most peaceful State in the nation, crime wise. Must be something in the milk....

It's either the milk, or correlation does not equal causation.

There's practically zero crime in my peaceful little town, too, but almost no one here has a gun.

[Protocol417 161]

And that was mandated by Congress. 3/4.

Wasn't it 3/5th, or am I wrong about that?