Feds Punish Business For Engaging In ‘Citizenship-Discrimination’

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You can conceivably have an expired green card in the time it takes to get the LPR status...

The law is the law. You can't go around adding extra bits to it.

[novedsac 355]

You don't seem very familiar with the immigration process. You have previously asserted that you're not just here to troll, so you may want to brush up on that immigration knowledge a little.

Not surprising as the OP spends all posts administering to his fetish for Obama.

Or to put it in colloquilal terms, you are being a drama queen.

So the uncle is really an auntie?

[Karee 4,191]

You can conceivably have an expired green card in the time it takes to get the LPR status...

The law is the law. You can't go around adding extra bits to it.

Yes you can. And that's why they're supposed to accept an I-797C as proof that you filed for removal of conditions.

I look at it as similar to having an expired license. Just because I had a license prior to one expiring, doesn't mean I'm legal to drive.

It's another example of the current administration's selective law enforcement. If they think the law is unjust or outdated or whatever, go to congress and get it changed. You just don't stop enforcing the law because you don't like it. What if a Republican president decided he was going to stop enforcing civil rights laws, or stop prosecuting people like Madoff? Would everyone be cool with that?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Yes you can. And that's why they're supposed to accept an I-797C as proof that you filed for removal of conditions.

I look at it as similar to having an expired license. Just because I had a license prior to one expiring, doesn't mean I'm legal to drive.

It's another example of the current administration's selective law enforcement. If they think the law is unjust or outdated or whatever, go to congress and get it changed. You just don't stop enforcing the law because you don't like it. What if a Republican president decided he was going to stop enforcing civil rights laws, or stop prosecuting people like Madoff? Would everyone be cool with that?

What story have you read? Not the one in the OP for sure.

[Karee 4,191]

What story have you read? Not the one in the OP for sure.

There's a story here? I thought it was an online circle jerk. My bad.

Edited September 4, 2014 by Karee

[Dakine10 5,452]

Are expired green card holders legal residents? Are people that had their green cards revoked legal residents? Are people holding fake or fraudulent green cards legal residents?

Yes, they are still legal permanent residents. I believe there may be a fine for letting the card expire card but no serious immigration issues. The expired green card can not be used for employment verification though, except as I listed above.

[Karee 4,191]

Yes, they are still legal permanent residents. I believe there may be a fine for letting the card expire card but no serious immigration issues. The expired green card can not be used for employment verification though, except as I listed above.

So then what is the point of the 2 year green card? Or for that matter having an expiration date on any green card?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There's a story here? I thought it was an online circle jerk. My bad.

The thread started with a story. One that the OP failed to fully grasp - or rather fully failed to grasp.

The discussion was largely around the issue that the story actually addressed - employment discrimination.

[Dakine10 5,452]

So then what is the point of the 2 year green card? Or for that matter having an expiration date on any green card?

Two year green card is conditional. You have to remove conditions to become a "permanent" resident. Otherwise the card and status are lost.

The 10 year cards are not conditional in the same sense, although they can be revoked for other reasons obviously. At one time green cards were issued indefinitely with no expiration date. Congress changed it to 10 years in 1979, but explicitly it's the card that expires, not the status. Not really sure why the change - I would guess either security or revenue but could be any reason.

Edited September 4, 2014 by Dakine10

[decocker 7,198]

I look at it as similar to having an expired license. Just because I had a license prior to one expiring, doesn't mean I'm legal to drive.

It's another example of the current administration's selective law enforcement. If they think the law is unjust or outdated or whatever, go to congress and get it changed. You just don't stop enforcing the law because you don't like it. What if a Republican president decided he was going to stop enforcing civil rights laws, or stop prosecuting people like Madoff? Would everyone be cool with that?

technically, you can have a fully legit license in your hand and not be legal to drive.

congress does not do anything but dig their heels in the dirt. come on.

Edited September 4, 2014 by val erie

[Karee 4,191]

Two year green card is conditional. You have to remove conditions to become a "permanent" resident.

The 10 year cards are not conditional in the same sense, although they can be revoked for other reasons obviously. At one time green cards were issued indefinitely with no expiration date. Congress changed it to 10 years in 1979, but explicitly it's the card that expires, not the status. Not really sure why the change - I would guess either security or revenue but could be any reason.

I guess I should have been more clear. I understand the supposed reason for the 2 year green card and the difference between a 2 year green card and a 10 year green card.

My point is that it doesn't make much sense to have an expiration date for something that is still considered valid after the expiration date. Also, what's wrong with checking to see if the card is genuine and not a forgery? Make sure the person holding it is the person named on the green card. I mean it costs $450 to replace one if you lose it, so there must be some point in having one.

congress does not do anything but dig their heels in the dirt. come on.

I'd argue the president does the same. Somehow I think the conversation would be different if we were talking about a Republican president and a Democrat congress. It would be all about how the Republican president is hiding something.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Hiding what? The issue at hand is the proper verification of employment eligibility - i.e. what employers can and should do vs. what is out of bounds. Requiring a green card from non citizens is out of bounds. That is because one does not have to have a green card to be eligible to work in this country. And one cannot be discriminated against for their citizenship or immigration status as long as one is eligible to work in this country. That whole discussion about expiration dates of green cards has little do with the issue at hand.

[Dakine10 5,452]

I guess I should have been more clear. I understand the supposed reason for the 2 year green card and the difference between a 2 year green card and a 10 year green card.

My point is that it doesn't make much sense to have an expiration date for something that is still considered valid after the expiration date. Also, what's wrong with checking to see if the card is genuine and not a forgery? Make sure the person holding it is the person named on the green card. I mean it costs $450 to replace one if you lose it, so there must be some point in having one.

It doesn't make sense, so I'm not trying to make sense out of it.

IMO, it would be discriminatory to check specifically for forged green cards or SSN's as part of the I-9 process, unless everyone including citizens were subject to the same criteria. It would take weeks to do this kind of check and the employer is not going to wait around. LPR's , by virtue of the process, have met the criteria for equal employment protection.

[decocker 7,198]

I'd argue the president does the same. Somehow I think the conversation would be different if we were talking about a Republican president and a Democrat congress. It would be all about how the Republican president is hiding something.

what's being hidden? we need immigration reform. i think congress was going to address it, but then it became inconvenient or not really a big deal. dunno.

[Karee 4,191]

Hiding what? The issue at hand is the proper verification of employment eligibility - i.e. what employers can and should do vs. what is out of bounds. Requiring a green card from non citizens is out of bounds. That is because one does not have to have a green card to be eligible to work in this country. And one cannot be discriminated against for their citizenship or immigration status as long as one is eligible to work in this country. That whole discussion about expiration dates of green cards has little do with the issue at hand.

what's being hidden? we need immigration reform. i think congress was going to address it, but then it became inconvenient or not really a big deal. dunno.

Sorry, in my haste to score points against you commie libs, I got my threads mixed up.