Black Man Issues EPIC Rant to 'My Black People' - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I wouldn't read too much into it. I would be childsh, to say the least, for anyone to pretend this young man to speak for all American blacks, even if his narrative was chosen to fit a particular agenda. However as you say, it would indeed be a sorry state of affairs to pretend othewise.

I think I'd have less of an issue with it if it weren't presented in a way that said:

"Look. Here's a black man who agrees with me, therefore I am right".

Edited September 2, 2014 by Hail Ming!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I haven't actually looked, but I think you're probably right about the crime rates being much lower among black folks in those days. Although, as you can already see from a post above, some will dismiss the numbers out of hand as being inaccurate because they were from the 60s. I'd guess guns and drugs weren't as prevalent back then. I think many more households were probably two parent households as well back then.

A quick search showed that the number of murders in Chicago for 2013 was the lowest since 1965. And overall murders there are down a lot since the 90's. There was no CC in IL until earlier this year. It will be interesting to see what, if any, effect this has on the murder rate.

[Karee 4,191]

A quick search showed that the number of murders in Chicago for 2013 was the lowest since 1965. And overall murders there are down a lot since the 90's. There was no CC in IL until earlier this year. It will be interesting to see what, if any, effect this has on the murder rate.

I'd assume that's for the entire state. I'd like to see Chicago specifically. I'm not as quick to chalk up these crime rate reductions to concealed carry. I think it probably has more to do with the extremely long prison sentences they hand out these days. Hard for people to commit crimes when they're doing 50 years.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Good video, good points. He's right, if cops stopped finding stuff, they'd eventually stop checking. Stop glorifying thuggery.

We all know what NB is doing. It shouldn't take away completely from the kids point.

I watched the video and took from it what I did because of the video, not because of who posted it or what the reasons were for it being posted. The young man brought up some very good points. I also liked the comparison with blacks getting longer jail sentences than whites. He asked, did you commit the crime? Then he said, if you don't commit crime, you want go to jail. Very good advice, IMO. And it can apply to all of us, not just blacks.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Good video, good points. He's right, if cops stopped finding stuff, they'd eventually stop checking. Stop glorifying thuggery.

We all know what NB is doing. It shouldn't take away completely from the kids point.

Sure. I just don't think its a very good place from which to start this conversation.

Seriously, is no one else tired of the constant race baiting and thinly veiled prejudice being given voice here? This has been going on for weeks and weeks.

Change the effing record.

[GandD 5,966]

A quick search showed that the number of murders in Chicago for 2013 was the lowest since 1965. And overall murders there are down a lot since the 90's. There was no CC in IL until earlier this year. It will be interesting to see what, if any, effect this has on the murder rate.

I see what you're doing there

I'm actually in Chicago right now. I have yet to be shot. I'm even in south Chicago.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I'd assume that's for the entire state. I'd like to see Chicago specifically. I'm not as quick to chalk up these crime rate reductions to concealed carry. I think it probably has more to do with the extremely long prison sentences they hand out these days. Hard for people to commit crimes when they're doing 50 years.

The number of murders was just for Chicago, 396 in 1965 vs 415 for 2013. In 1990 there were 851, 1991 - 927, 1992 - 943, 1993 - 855, 1994 - 931, and then it started to drop. CC can't have anything to do with IL yet since it was just implemented. I'm curious to see if it goes up as many here seemed to think would happen. All CC was illegal until this year, so only the bad guys were carrying guns.

And maybe the longer prison terms have something to do with it too. But there is always a fresh crop of criminals waiting to fill the void.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I see what you're doing there

I'm actually in Chicago right now. I have yet to be shot. I'm even in south Chicago.

Honestly, I wasn't saying that to advocate CC. I am curious to see what will happen in the coming years. Some think that it will get worse, but I think the bad guys were the only ones with guns for the last umpteen decades. It may have no effect on crime either way, but I don't think that honest people are going to get a permit, buy a gun and start robbing banks and killing people.

[Karee 4,191]

The number of murders was just for Chicago, 396 in 1965 vs 415 for 2013. In 1990 there were 851, 1991 - 927, 1992 - 943, 1993 - 855, 1994 - 931, and then it started to drop. CC can't have anything to do with IL yet since it was just implemented. I'm curious to see if it goes up as many here seemed to think would happen. All CC was illegal until this year, so only the bad guys were carrying guns.

And maybe the longer prison terms have something to do with it too. But there is always a fresh crop of criminals waiting to fill the void.

My personal feeling is that concealed carry probably doesn't affect the crime rate one way or the other. While an argument can be made that criminals maybe less likely to victimize someone because they maybe armed, the argument could also be made that the criminal is more likely to outright kill someone in the commission of a crime for fear of the victim being armed.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Sure. I just don't think its a very good place from which to start this conversation.

Seriously, is no one else tired of the constant race baiting and thinly veiled prejudice being given voice here? This has been going on for weeks and weeks.

Change the effing record.

The race baiting has been going on here since I've been here, it just has it's peaks and valleys. I focused on the video, and I think it is very positive. I know it made me think. Much of it apples to everyone. Personally, I do not take this thread as anti black or black bashing. There are plenty of others for that. I think this one gave some ideas for solutions.

[GandD 5,966]

Honestly, I wasn't saying that to advocate CC. I am curious to see what will happen in the coming years. Some think that it will get worse, but I think the bad guys were the only ones with guns for the last umpteen decades. It may have no effect on crime either way, but I don't think that honest people are going to get a permit, buy a gun and start robbing banks and killing people.

I assumed you were pointing out that we can't know the numbers before cc permits had been issued

[spookyturtle 9,466]

My personal feeling is that concealed carry probably doesn't affect the crime rate one way or the other. While an argument can be made that criminals maybe less likely to victimize someone because they maybe armed, the argument could also be made that the criminal is more likely to outright kill someone in the commission of a crime for fear of the victim being armed.

My guess is it won't have much effect at all, at least statistically. Personally I don't think that the crime rate will go up because of it as some do. And it may not go down either, time will tell. I don't know how much of a deterrent an armed public is. The death penalty certainly didn't do anything to deter crime. But then again, maybe if enough bad guys got shot, it would make some think twice before victimizing someone. I really have no idea.

I assumed you were pointing out that we can't know the numbers before cc permits had been issued

We know the numbers before CC, and we'll be able to compare them in the future. I personally don't think it will have much of an impact.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The number of murders was just for Chicago, 396 in 1965 vs 415 for 2013. In 1990 there were 851, 1991 - 927, 1992 - 943, 1993 - 855, 1994 - 931, and then it started to drop. CC can't have anything to do with IL yet since it was just implemented. I'm curious to see if it goes up as many here seemed to think would happen. All CC was illegal until this year, so only the bad guys were carrying guns.

And maybe the longer prison terms have something to do with it too. But there is always a fresh crop of criminals waiting to fill the void.

I think it would be more relevant to look at the changes in the crime rate during economic recessions. Or more specifically, changes in the employment rate of blacks during those periods as well as the industries and occupations that black Americans gravitated towards.

My guess, firstly you'll find that a lot of black Americans (possibly even a majority) filled mainly manual labour roles - partly I suspect because access to higher education wasn't accessible to those without means. Secondly, I think you'll find that economic recessions hit those manual labour positions harder than anyone else.

Less jobs + less education = more crime.

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Amazingly honest video emphasizing personal responsibility, a trait which is all too rare today.

I think people of all kinds need to clean up their own houses before blaming others or expecting others to solve their problems.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I think it would be more relevant to look at the changes in the crime rate during economic recessions. Or more specifically, changes in the employment rate of blacks during those periods as well as the industries and occupations that black Americans gravitated towards.

My guess, firstly you'll find that a lot of black Americans (possibly even a majority) filled mainly manual labour roles - partly I suspect because access to higher education wasn't accessible to those without means. Secondly, I think you'll find that economic recessions hit those manual labour positions harder than anyone else.

Less jobs + less education = more crime.

You gave me another thought. What was the crime rate during the Great Depression? I have no idea and I'm too tired to go searching tonight.

Back to your points. Other than a spike in murders in 2008 and 2012, the number of murders was quite consistent from 2004-2013. And there was a big drop from 2003-2004. I'm assuming unemployment was high just about everywhere in 2009-2012 as the recession started hitting in 2008. So the economic situation vs murders has some inconsistency. Things were bad everywhere in 2009 and 2010, yet the murder rate was consistent.