Risk of helping a friend on B1/b2

[POA 178]

Hi fellow VJers!

I have a friend who just got her tourist visa. She wants to go here for leisure but also wants to find a job. I told her it is not so possible to find a decent job specially not a good idea to overstay. But she said that she prioritize touring. She is not yet here but planning to go here this year.

My questions are:

1. Will I get in trouble if she overstay in my place?

2. What's the worst thing that could happen to her if she is found overstaying and working under the table?

3. Will I be affected if she was caught working under the table?

I wanna help her but at the same time we don't wanna get in trouble.

I really appreciate your opinions.

Thanks in advance!

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

No one on this board is going to help you with illegal activity.

[POA 178]

No one on this board is going to help you with illegal activity.

Thanks Harpa!

I will then make sure I would have nothing to do with it. Just wanted to open her eyes what are the risk for her and for me if she would do that.

P.S. I am not gonna help her, I just want to let her know that If i will, i will get in that mess that is why I won't.

Edited August 30, 2014 by POA

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Does she have the visa yet? With her plan, I doubt she will get it anyway.

The risks for her. Detained, deported, banned from the US for life. Not to mention the humiliation, being locked up in deportation jail.

I find it odd that you need to explain to someone that doing something illegal is bad. Especially in a foreign country where you do not have the protection of citizenship. Just stupid and not worthy of a US tourist visa.

Edited August 30, 2014 by Harpa Timsah

[POA 178]

Does she have the visa yet? With her plan, I doubt she will get it anyway.

She just got it approved. She works in Singapore and applied in USEM in SG.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

She just got it approved. She works in Singapore and applied in USEM in SG.

Then she obviously lied about her plans. Sorry, I hate liars. Good luck to you.

[POA 178]

Does she have the visa yet? With her plan, I doubt she will get it anyway.

The risks for her. Detained, deported, banned from the US for life. Not to mention the humiliation, being locked up in deportation jail.

I find it odd that you need to explain to someone that doing something illegal is bad. Especially in a foreign country where you do not have the protection of citizenship. Just stupid and not worthy of a US tourist visa.

I tried telling her that US is not the same as SG. She said the cost of living in SG is too high and told her it is so much higher here and harder if you are not legally allowed to stay and work. I told her she can visit but not work. I also told her about the being banned but she thinks that it's like what she did in SG where she came in as a tourist, got a job now working there for 5 years.

I wanted to show this forum for her to believe or think really well before spending too much money.

Just so she knows that I would not be a part of it and why i wouldn't want to be.

Thank you Harpa!

[Ning 619]

Hi fellow VJers!

I have a friend who just got her tourist visa. She wants to go here for leisure but also wants to find a job. I told her it is not so possible to find a decent job specially not a good idea to overstay. But she said that she prioritize touring. She is not yet here but planning to go here this year.

My questions are:

1. Will I get in trouble if she overstay in my place?

2. What's the worst thing that could happen to her if she is found overstaying and working under the table?

3. Will I be affected if she was caught working under the table?

I wanna help her but at the same time we don't wanna get in trouble.

I really appreciate your opinions.

Thanks in advance!

This type of thing is exactly why people from the P I have so much trouble getting a tourist visa. You are asking members to help construct a series of lies to assist this person to commit fraud. The best thing you can do it tell this " friend " you will not help in any way that amounts to visa fraud.

# 1 Would you be in trouble? In reality you could be seen as aiding a person in the act of committing crimes I suppose.

# 2 Deportation with a life time ban.

# 3 You have to live with what you have done to help her.

[POA 178]

This type of thing is exactly why people from the P I have so much trouble getting a tourist visa. You are asking members to help construct a series of lies to assist this person to commit fraud. The best thing you can do it tell this " friend " you will not help in any way that amounts to visa fraud.

# 1 Would you be in trouble? In reality you could be seen as aiding a person in the act of committing crimes I suppose.

# 2 Deportation with a life time ban.

# 3 You have to live with what you have done to help her.

Thanks Ning!

Yeah I will not help her in anyway. I just want her to realize what she is getting into if she decides to do it and I won't be a part of it.

[Ning 619]

Thanks Harpa!

I will then make sure I would have nothing to do with it. Just wanted to open her eyes what are the risk for her and for me if she would do that.

P.S. I am not gonna help her, I just want to let her know that If i will, i will get in that mess that is why I won't.

You are already helping her by trying to get info that would assist her in her planning. Your only real concern is about the potential money she may spend.

She has already committed fraud in one country as you point out. What makes you think she isn't going to do it again?

Hopefully she will arrive to find a really sharp officer at the POE that will realize she has committed fraud to get to SG as a tourist and deny her entry into the USA.

Edited August 30, 2014 by Ning

[POA 178]

You are already helping her by trying to get info that would assist her in her planning. Your only real concern is about the potential money she may spend.

She has already committed fraud in one country as you point out. What makes you think she isn't going to do it again?

I got your point and you are right. This will just assist her in planning. I should have just said i won't help instead of giving her info about the trouble she will be getting if she do this.

I think i've said enough even before she applied for a visa.

Thanks Ning!

[POA 178]

You are already helping her by trying to get info that would assist her in her planning. Your only real concern is about the potential money she may spend.

She has already committed fraud in one country as you point out. What makes you think she isn't going to do it again?

Hopefully she will arrive to find a really sharp officer at the POE that will realize she has committed fraud to get to SG as a tourist and deny her entry into the USA.

I also told her that visa is not an assurance to get to the US. It is just a permit to get to the Port and up to the IO to decide.

[AnnaMaria 68]

I'm so mad after reading this post and your consistent attempts of trying to say "I won't help, but..." trying to get more information about the trouble you could get in to.

I think I've spent the past half hour writing some extremely angry responses, just to delete them because you are obviously not getting the message everyone else is telling you.

Pathetic. Everything you have written, suggested, or mentioned since your first sentence on this post is pathetic. I hope she is denied entry at the PoE when the Borders and Customs officers inquires about her nature of visit.

P.S. - Sorry, i'm the petitioner, the U.S. Citizen responding here. And I have every right to these feelings when you are condoning someone trying to defraud MY government who was gracious enough to allow her to visit and enjoy what we have to offer for the duration of her tourist visa.

Edited August 30, 2014 by AnnaMaria

[POA 178]

I'm so mad after reading this post and your consistent attempts of trying to say "I won't help, but..." trying to get more information about the trouble you could get in to.

I think I've spent the past half hour writing some extremely angry responses, just to delete them because you are obviously not getting the message everyone else is telling you.

Pathetic. Everything you have written, suggested, or mentioned since your first sentence on this post is pathetic. I hope she is denied entry at the PoE when the Borders and Customs officers inquires about her nature of visit.

I didn't mean to upset u. But as a friend i don't want her to get in trouble, by doing more fraud and I don't want too. I was trying to convince her not to do what she is planning to do that is why I asked the questions. I guess I was misinterpreted that I wanna help her do this fraud and get away with it.

Again, the questions I asked are for:

1. Her to know the reasons why I won't help her

2. The consequences of what she is planning to do.

Again, I didn't ask the question to help her commit another fraud but just to try to make her realize what is she planning to do.

Harpa has already answered these.

Edited August 30, 2014 by POA

[POA 178]

It's my fault!

Wrong choice of word. I should have titled it how to convince a friend not to do it instead of Risk of helping her.

But thanks to all for your insights!

Edited August 30, 2014 by POA