Gun instructor killed while showing 9-year-old girl how to use an Uzi

[decocker 7,198]

The same thing you dragging Clive Bundy into the Michael Brown OP

i did that, get your facts straight.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

i did that, get your facts straight.

It was one of libruls. You are all interchangeable

[GandD 5,966]

It was one of libruls. You are all interchangeable

Says the moderate.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I don't fear guns. I fear idiots with guns and there are far too many of them out there.

There are reasons why age restrictions are put on certain things, it's because most children do not possess the proper cognitive skills to operate them. The fact that guns are able to get a free pass from any common sense laws such as age restrictions and proper training is ridiculous.

The fact that you are responsible in teaching your kids proper firearm use does not mean that everyone else is. That's why we have these laws, to protect the general public from idiots. What would you say if by chance it was one of your kids that accidentally got shot by a reckless person with a gun? Would you still think common sense should be left up to the user?

There are age restrictions for gun purchases. 9 year old kids can't legally buy a gun. So adults, presumably parents, decide to let their child shoot or teach them to shoot. I know some of you are having a tough time with this case since no laws were broken, parents were present, an instructor was present and it was on a legal shooting range. Even an adult would have had to counter muzzle rise on the fully automatic weapon, and this instructor could have easily been killed by someone 30 years old because he didn't follow a good safety procedure. Do you think the Feds are going to pass a law saying that someone isn't able to shoot a gun until they are 21? Just curious.

Some of you are still trying to blame the gun instead of the real cause of the accident, the human.

[Teddy B 17,252]

There are age restrictions for gun purchases. 9 year old kids can't legally buy a gun. So adults, presumably parents, decide to let their child shoot or teach them to shoot. I know some of you are having a tough time with this case since no laws were broken, parents were present, an instructor was present and it was on a legal shooting range. Even an adult would have had to counter muzzle rise on the fully automatic weapon, and this instructor could have easily been killed by someone 30 years old because he didn't follow a good safety procedure. Do you think the Feds are going to pass a law saying that someone isn't able to shoot a gun until they are 21? Just curious.

Some of you are still trying to blame the gun instead of the real cause of the accident, the human.

I don't believe I said anything about a 9 year old being able to purchase a gun. I said they shouldn't be able to shoot a gun without first passing a certified training and safety course. You like comparing cars to guns so much, use the same analogy with a child shooting a gun as if they were driving a car. In order to get their license, they have to pass a written and driving test.

You would think that if a 30 year old could have problems shooting that weapon that it would make people think twice about allowing a 9 year old to shoot that same gun.

In this case I really don't blame the gun. I fully blame the idiots and there are plenty of them including the parents, the instructors and a society that allows a 9 year old to shoot a fully automatic weapon. The stupidity in this case is astounding.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Teddy B

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

I wouldn't be within 20 yards of a nine year old throwing lawn jarts.

Edited August 29, 2014 by OnMyWayID

[Teddy B 17,252]

I wouldn't be within 20 yards of a nine year old throwing lawn jarts.

An old cork gun? I used to have those as a kid. Aim it to the left and you'd hit someone on the right. But at least no one got hurt.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I don't believe I said anything about a 9 year old being able to purchase a gun. I said they shouldn't be able to shoot a gun without first passing a certified training and safety course. You like comparing cars to guns so much, use the same analogy with a child shooting a gun as if they were driving a car. In order to get their license, they have to pass a written and driving test.

You would think that if a 30 year old could have problems shooting that weapon that it would make people think twice about allowing a 9 year old to shoot that same gun.

In this case I really don't blame the gun. I fully blame the idiots and there are plenty of them including the parents, the instructors and a society that allows a 9 year old to shoot a fully automatic weapon. The stupidity in this case is astounding.

I personally have no problem with a passing some type of test and having required training in order to purchase a gun. A lot of the gun owners on this site will disagree with me about that. Owning a gun is a big responsibility, and some people cannot handle it.

I can't drive a tractor trailer without passing a Class A test, I can't sell real estate without a license- and even with a license I have to take continuing ed classes every 2 years in order to renew my license. Ditto for my construction supervisor license. Even to renew my drivers license I must pass a simple eye test. But all those things are privileges, not rights.

I said that it was possible for anyone to have a problem with full auto muzzle rise until they were prepared for it. The instructor fvcked up royally. His hands should have been on the gun. Ditto for an adult firing for the first time. Society didn't allow the girl to fire the Uzi, mommy and daddy did.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

An old cork gun? I used to have those as a kid. Aim it to the left and you'd hit someone on the right. But at least no one got hurt.

You have an amazing memory and a good eye!

The warning "You'll shoot your eye out" wasn't reserved just for Ralphie in A Christmas Story. The CPSC raised the same alarm about a toy cork gun that sold for the bargain price of $1.27 in the 1976 to 1977 Christmas season. After instructing buyers to visit Eagle Family Discount Stores throughout the Southeast to obtain a refund, the recall described how "serious injury could occur if a child abuses the toy by removing the muzzle end of the gun barrel, exposing the ends of two metal rods covered with plastic plunger caps. These caps can be removed by a force of three or four pounds, leaving the ends of the metal rods completely exposed. If the toy gun is cocked and discharged, the exposed ends of the metal rods could then be propelled forward into a child's face or eyes."

[spookyturtle 9,466]

An old cork gun? I used to have those as a kid. Aim it to the left and you'd hit someone on the right. But at least no one got hurt.

And some kids got shot in the eye with the cork. Ditto for the old dart guns. Take off the suction cup and eye damage, here I come. People were hurt by improper use of toy guns too. That's what I'm talking about with teaching proper gun safety. Learn the proper safety techniques. I learned them at an early age and had them drilled into my head. No matter how familiar you are with a gun, never let your guard down where safety is concerned. Same thing as driving in a daze vs paying attention and driving defensively.

[Teddy B 17,252]

I personally have no problem with a passing some type of test and having required training in order to purchase a gun. A lot of the gun owners on this site will disagree with me about that. Owning a gun is a big responsibility, and some people cannot handle it.

I can't drive a tractor trailer without passing a Class A test, I can't sell real estate without a license- and even with a license I have to take continuing ed classes every 2 years in order to renew my license. Ditto for my construction supervisor license. Even to renew my drivers license I must pass a simple eye test. But all those things are privileges, not rights.

I said that it was possible for anyone to have a problem with full auto muzzle rise until they were prepared for it. The instructor fvcked up royally. His hands should have been on the gun. Ditto for an adult firing for the first time. Society didn't allow the girl to fire the Uzi, mommy and daddy did.

I would like to see that training and safety certification be mandatory before being allowed to shoot a gun, not just purchase a gun. After all, it's the shooting part that gets people dead, not the buying part. What would you say to that?

I said part of society was to blame because if it was illegal for that 9 year old girl to shoot a fully automatic weapon, that tragedy more than likely would have been prevented.

[Teddy B 17,252]

You have an amazing memory and a good eye!

The warning "You'll shoot your eye out" wasn't reserved just for Ralphie in A Christmas Story. The CPSC raised the same alarm about a toy cork gun that sold for the bargain price of $1.27 in the 1976 to 1977 Christmas season. After instructing buyers to visit Eagle Family Discount Stores throughout the Southeast to obtain a refund, the recall described how "serious injury could occur if a child abuses the toy by removing the muzzle end of the gun barrel, exposing the ends of two metal rods covered with plastic plunger caps. These caps can be removed by a force of three or four pounds, leaving the ends of the metal rods completely exposed. If the toy gun is cocked and discharged, the exposed ends of the metal rods could then be propelled forward into a child's face or eyes."

I don't remember the part about those metal rods. I'm glad I never ran into that.

And some kids got shot in the eye with the cork. Ditto for the old dart guns. Take off the suction cup and eye damage, here I come. People were hurt by improper use of toy guns too. That's what I'm talking about with teaching proper gun safety. Learn the proper safety techniques. I learned them at an early age and had them drilled into my head. No matter how familiar you are with a gun, never let your guard down where safety is concerned. Same thing as driving in a daze vs paying attention and driving defensively.

The difference with a toy gun is that usually no one is seriously hurt if they are hit. Proper gun safety should always be used, but let's not attempt to compare a toy gun to a real gun in regards to the harm it can do.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Teddy B

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I would like to see that training and safety certification be mandatory before being allowed to shoot a gun, not just purchase a gun. After all, it's the shooting part that gets people dead, not the buying part. What would you say to that?

I said part of society was to blame because if it was illegal for that 9 year old girl to shoot a fully automatic weapon, that tragedy more than likely would have been prevented.

In this case at a licensed facility, yes. But we also know that every law in existence is broken or circumvented. It is illegal to own a gun illegally, yet thousands die each year from people with illegally owned guns. But I do think it would be easier to gavern most children as far as legal shooting ranges go. I don't know how that would apply to a private club or range.

But the reality is, the law is the law. People have to take the proper channels to change it. And I think it will have to start with the Constituion.

[Teddy B 17,252]

In this case at a licensed facility, yes. But we also know that every law in existence is broken or circumvented. It is illegal to own a gun illegally, yet thousands die each year from people with illegally owned guns. But I do think it would be easier to gavern most children as far as legal shooting ranges go. I don't know how that would apply to a private club or range.

But the reality is, the law is the law. People have to take the proper channels to change it. And I think it will have to start with the Constituion.

I don't think the Constitution would have to be changed in order to make it mandatory for one to be certified in firearm use. That is not removing one's 2nd amendment right.

I'm not sure why the ole "laws will be broken" disclaimer has to come out whenever we have this discussion. I think we're all aware that some people do break laws, but most people do follow them.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I don't think the Constitution would have to be changed in order to make it mandatory for one to be certified in firearm use. That is not removing one's 2nd amendment right.

I'm not sure why the ole "laws will be broken" disclaimer has to come out whenever we have this discussion. I think we're all aware that some people do break laws, but most people do follow them.

Because you always bring making new laws into the discussion while not acknowledging that the current laws aren't enforced properly and that proper enforcement would go a long way toward achieving your desired objective.

Then people need to band together and get politicians in office in each state who will fight for these knew laws. Remember, licensing is up to the individual state.