Gun instructor killed while showing 9-year-old girl how to use an Uzi

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I can't wait until you say something that's misconstrued. Hopefully he'll bring it up on a daily basis. Maybe he'll even make it his signature.

I'll tell you what bothers me about it, in case you're just thinking I said that for the purposes of some opportunistic gotcha.

Disproving racism seems to be NB's modus operandi on this board. He thinks racism is (mostly) in the past, at least from an institutional perspective. I get that, I might even agree with it. What I don't think is in doubt, is that slavery happened, segregation happened and that many black Americans were subjected to repression and violent abuse in many parts of the country.

These things are real, happened and shouldn't be joked around with - especially in a climate where many believe those past abuses have a legacy that is manifest in the present day.

So to then make a comment that says that whites today are subjected to the same treatment doled out to blacks - during the heyday of racist oppression no less - and then to skip over said comment without barely a pause for breath says more to me about that guy than anything else.

We are all responsible for the things we say and do - so if you don't want people to think you are a racist you probably should exercise better judgement and not say things that might make people think that you are.

[Teddy B 17,252]

The decision to let the girl fire an Uzi falls squarely on the parents, they paid the instructor to show her how. Are you suggesting the government get more involved in telling parents how to raise their kids?

The instructor committed a couple of gross errors (not standing behind the girl to brace and guide her) and not keeping a hand over the gun to prevent what happened from happening. Not familiar with an Uzi to know if there is a burst fire selector or not; if so, THAT would have been the way to go.

And you know darn good and well kids drive before 16 in many cases (I was driving alone by the age of 8, on a farm), kids can join the military at 17, and how many parents actually allow their kids to drink before 21? LOTS that I know of.

I'm suggesting the gov't become more involved when it comes to firearms for everyone. It should not be legal for any child to shoot a fully automatic weapon. It should not be legal for anyone to use firearms of any kind without being certified in a firearm training and safety course.

There's a serious disconnect with reality when folks are pointing out the mistakes that were made by the instructor, rather than wondering why a 9 year old was allowed to shoot an Uzi.

[Karee 4,191]

I'll tell you what bothers me about it, in case you're just thinking I said that for the purposes of some opportunistic gotcha.

Disproving racism seems to be NB's modus operandi on this board. He thinks racism is (mostly) in the past, at least from an institutional perspective. I get that, I might even agree with it. What I don't think is in doubt, is that slavery happened, segregation happened and that many black Americans were subjected to repression and violent abuse in many parts of the country.

These things are real, happened and shouldn't be joked around with - especially in a climate where many believe those past abuses have a legacy that is manifest in the present day.

So to then make a comment that says that whites today are subjected to the same treatment doled out to blacks - during the heyday of racist oppression no less - and then to skip over said comment without barely a pause for breath says more to me about that guy than anything else.

We are all responsible for the things we say and do - so if you don't want people to think you are a racist you probably should exercise better judgement and not say things that might make people think that you are.

I get it. Just not sure why you feel the need to bring it up over and over and over. Move on.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I get it. Just not sure why you feel the need to bring it up over and over and over. Move on.

If you want to talk about racism as infinitum on the boards, then maybe taking ownership of the things you say is the way forward.

[Karee 4,191]

If you want to talk about racism as infinitum on the boards, then maybe taking ownership of the things you say is the way forward.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Its still not as stupid and racially charged as the one about how being a white man today is the same as being black in the 1920s.

I don't think NB realises how massively ignorant, offensive and yes - racist such a statement is.

Well since I never said that....Have a nice day . P.S. that is not how you spell realizes

BTW are you calling me ignorant and racist. Cause if you are it is a violation of the TOS

Oh dear God. I do that. I need a life

There isn't any way to misconstrue a comment like that.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well since I never said that....Have a nice day . P.S. that is not how you spell realizes

BTW are you calling me ignorant and racist. Cause if you are it is a violation of the TOS

Oh dear God. I do that. I need a life

You do realise that posting racist content is against the TOS?

As I said, the fact that you deny it and try to deflect away from what you said says quite a bit about you - loud and clear.

But anyway let's get back to the topic, since it isn't about this and you are clearly unwilling to take responsibility.

[Karee 4,191]

You do realise that posting racist content is against the TOS?

As I said, the fact that you deny it and try to deflect away from what you said says quite a bit about you - loud and clear.

But anyway let's get back to the topic, since it isn't about this and you are clearly unwilling to take responsibility.

Translation: Let's get back to topic, but only after I take a few more shots at you.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I'll tell you what bothers me about it, in case you're just thinking I said that for the purposes of some opportunistic gotcha.

Disproving racism seems to be NB's modus operandi on this board. He thinks racism is (mostly) in the past, at least from an institutional perspective. I get that, I might even agree with it. What I don't think is in doubt, is that slavery happened, segregation happened and that many black Americans were subjected to repression and violent abuse in many parts of the country.

These things are real, happened and shouldn't be joked around with - especially in a climate where many believe those past abuses have a legacy that is manifest in the present day.

So to then make a comment that says that whites today are subjected to the same treatment doled out to blacks - during the heyday of racist oppression no less - and then to skip over said comment without barely a pause for breath says more to me about that guy than anything else.

We are all responsible for the things we say and do - so if you don't want people to think you are a racist you probably should exercise better judgement and not say things that might make people think that you are.

Ok

A. I don't care if you think I am Racist. What I know is all that is important to me.

b. I have told you repeatedly that I do agree past treatment, is a component of the problems of today, you only here what you want to hear

c. I used a analogy of one specific situation. That is, that the call for the prosecution and punishment of of officer, Darren Wilson, by black mobs screaming justice, is no different a mentality than the white lynch mobs of the 20's, that hung black men, while screaming justice with no regard for the facts. It's a lynch mob mentality then, as it is today. If somehow your failure to comprehended turned that into, white men today are treated like black men of the 20's in a general sense that, is on you, not me

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Translation: Let's get back to topic, but only after I take a few more shots at you.

Or, I just realized I violated the TOS, and I don't want to talk about it anymore. LOL

What is even funnier, is he is all worked up about something, that I did not even say and that he has bent to Olympic proportions

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Translation: Let's get back to topic, but only after I take a few more shots at you.

There was always that one ####### at work, who would send out a sarcastic E-mail out of the blue. copy the boss, an then close with, "I am done, I don't have time to debate counter productive topics", after they just threw you under the bus with a E-mail it took them 45 mins to compose.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

I'm suggesting the gov't become more involved when it comes to firearms for everyone. It should not be legal for any child to shoot a fully automatic weapon. It should not be legal for anyone to use firearms of any kind without being certified in a firearm training and safety course.

There's a serious disconnect with reality when folks are pointing out the mistakes that were made by the instructor, rather than wondering why a 9 year old was allowed to shoot an Uzi.

Maybe because I have been around guns all my life and don't harbor any more fear of them than a rake, a lawn mower, or a chain saw, I don't see it that way.

It shouldn't be illegal to operate any of those items (of increasing danger to the end user), nor should the government regulate them. The adult supervision is responsible for deciding the WHEN a particular child or teen should use them.

The instructor was the trained individual who should have known better. HE is responsible for the accident, plain and simple. The little girl is completely innocent. The parents? One could argue they had no idea it could happen, but they allowed the event to take place, knowing their daughter had never used one before. "Common sense" SHOULD have argued for more adult intervention. But I still say the majority of the blame is on the instructor.

And while I agree that the bold part is a great idea before owning or operating a gun, it strikes me as a bit unreasonable to require it as a law. I have taken my kids to the range, and they have shot various types of weapons after being taught by me. Good enough, and probably better than some instructors could have ever done.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Ok

A. I don't care if you think I am Racist. What I know is all that is important to me.

b. I have told you repeatedly that I do agree past treatment, is a component of the problems of today, you only here what you want to hear

c. I used a analogy of one specific situation. That is, that the call for the prosecution and punishment of of officer, Darren Wilson, by black mobs screaming justice, is no different a mentality than the white lynch mobs of the 20's, that hung black men, while screaming justice with no regard for the facts. It's a lynch mob mentality then, as it is today. If somehow your failure to comprehended turned that into, white men today are treated like black men of the 20's in a general sense that, is on you, not me

I don't actually think you are a racist. I do think that your issue with false claims of racism is used to justify you saying things that can be perceived that way.

See? A reasonable response and I didn't question your spelling or grammar or use a personal anecdote to insult you by proxy.

[decocker 7,198]

how'd you get that picture of me!

[decocker 7,198]

The instructor was the trained individual who should have known better. HE is responsible for the accident, plain and simple. The little girl is completely innocent. The parents? One could argue they had no idea it could happen, but they allowed the event to take place, knowing their daughter had never used one before. "Common sense" SHOULD have argued for more adult intervention. But I still say the majority of the blame is on the instructor.

everyone keeps referring to the instructor like he was giving shooting lessons and i have a hard time with that given the nature of the business that the lessons were taking place in. it seems more a tourist spot than a place to seriously show children how to operate a weapon. i get that you want to place blame on the parents for making a bad decision, but it seems like getting your kid to shoot an uzi, take a couple photos, have a burger and a beer is the entire draw to the establishment. not that the parents drove their kids all the way down from jersey to shoot an uzi, but that is certainly something this place advertises, in a manner normally seen in pushing hermit crab starter kits at the beach..