Wal-Mart accused of consumer fraud

[Fandango 1,439]

Before the mega stores started showing up I remember that malls were going to be the death of "hometown downtown".

This would be a prediction that turned out to be fairly accurate, no? Most downtowns are dead.

and cars are the death of the horse-drawn carriage...those poor horse farmers put outta work by the evil car manufacturers!!!

Apples and Oranges, anyone?

I don't know about you but I find the desolate condition of many a downtown area across the country much more disturbing than the lack of horses on our roadways. Maybe it's a European thing to value a thriving and beautiful inner city...

I don't find it apples and oranges at all....it's a very basic comparison to illustrate the evolution of business.

And as to the rest of your post....Wal-Mart is a thriving part of the cities they are in. If they didn't thrive, they wouldn't survive.

1) I wasn't speaking of Wal-Mart but of what Malls have done to inner city businesses.

2) What inner city is Wal-Mart thriving in, precisely?

What do you mean by 'inner city'? and which 'inner city' is thriving and beautiful?

And show me where Wal-Mart isn't thriving...because last I checked, all the animosity towards WM is based on taking away business from others...so if you are claiming that there are WMs that don't thrive, then they are not taking business...so I don't see what point you're actually getting at here

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Perhaps its just my experience but unlike supermarkets (for example) WM doesn’t seem to locate its stores in downtown (heavily urbanized) areas, at least in the places I’ve lived in so far… they seem to set up in suburban "out of town" locations rather than in major cities - rather like shopping malls.

[MissStacey 1]

In the US, I definately prefer Target.

Here in Alberta, the WalMart close to where I live has some grocery items, but not as many as in The US. It is great for cereals, canned and frozen foods. We don't have fruits and veggies at that location.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Before the mega stores started showing up I remember that malls were going to be the death of "hometown downtown".

This would be a prediction that turned out to be fairly accurate, no? Most downtowns are dead.

and cars are the death of the horse-drawn carriage...those poor horse farmers put outta work by the evil car manufacturers!!!

Apples and Oranges, anyone?

I don't know about you but I find the desolate condition of many a downtown area across the country much more disturbing than the lack of horses on our roadways. Maybe it's a European thing to value a thriving and beautiful inner city...

I don't find it apples and oranges at all....it's a very basic comparison to illustrate the evolution of business.

And as to the rest of your post....Wal-Mart is a thriving part of the cities they are in. If they didn't thrive, they wouldn't survive.

1) I wasn't speaking of Wal-Mart but of what Malls have done to inner city businesses.

2) What inner city is Wal-Mart thriving in, precisely?

What do you mean by 'inner city'? and which 'inner city' is thriving and beautiful?

Not many. My point exactly - try to read the origin of this string.

And show me where Wal-Mart isn't thriving...

Wal-Mart hasn't been and isn't striving here anymore - proof that consumer conscience does make a difference. And this place coincidentally has very intact and quite georgous inner cities.

[Fandango 1,439]

Before the mega stores started showing up I remember that malls were going to be the death of "hometown downtown".

This would be a prediction that turned out to be fairly accurate, no? Most downtowns are dead.

and cars are the death of the horse-drawn carriage...those poor horse farmers put outta work by the evil car manufacturers!!!

Apples and Oranges, anyone?

I don't know about you but I find the desolate condition of many a downtown area across the country much more disturbing than the lack of horses on our roadways. Maybe it's a European thing to value a thriving and beautiful inner city...

I don't find it apples and oranges at all....it's a very basic comparison to illustrate the evolution of business.

And as to the rest of your post....Wal-Mart is a thriving part of the cities they are in. If they didn't thrive, they wouldn't survive.

1) I wasn't speaking of Wal-Mart but of what Malls have done to inner city businesses.

2) What inner city is Wal-Mart thriving in, precisely?

What do you mean by 'inner city'? and which 'inner city' is thriving and beautiful?

Not many. My point exactly - try to read the origin of this string.

And show me where Wal-Mart isn't thriving...

Wal-Mart hasn't been and isn't striving here anymore - proof that consumer conscience does make a difference. And this place coincidentally has very intact and quite georgous inner cities.

I'm not talking about Wal-Mart Germany.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Before the mega stores started showing up I remember that malls were going to be the death of "hometown downtown".

This would be a prediction that turned out to be fairly accurate, no? Most downtowns are dead.

and cars are the death of the horse-drawn carriage...those poor horse farmers put outta work by the evil car manufacturers!!!

Apples and Oranges, anyone?

I don't know about you but I find the desolate condition of many a downtown area across the country much more disturbing than the lack of horses on our roadways. Maybe it's a European thing to value a thriving and beautiful inner city...

I don't find it apples and oranges at all....it's a very basic comparison to illustrate the evolution of business.

And as to the rest of your post....Wal-Mart is a thriving part of the cities they are in. If they didn't thrive, they wouldn't survive.

1) I wasn't speaking of Wal-Mart but of what Malls have done to inner city businesses.

2) What inner city is Wal-Mart thriving in, precisely?

What do you mean by 'inner city'? and which 'inner city' is thriving and beautiful?

Not many. My point exactly - try to read the origin of this string.

And show me where Wal-Mart isn't thriving...

Wal-Mart hasn't been and isn't striving here anymore - proof that consumer conscience does make a difference. And this place coincidentally has very intact and quite georgous inner cities.

I'm not talking about Wal-Mart Germany.

You asked to be shown where Wal-Mart isn't thriving and I showed you. There are other places that they've abandoned as well. It ain't like the company is thriving anywhere it sets up shop.

[Fandango 1,439]

You asked to be shown where Wal-Mart isn't thriving and I showed you. There are other places that they've abandoned as well. It ain't like the company is thriving anywhere it sets up shop.

Right, but once again, to be clear...I wasn't talking about WMGermany. I was talking US. If that wasn't clear before, hopefully it'll be clear now

[Robor007 0]

This is in response to the previous post saying Wal-Mart paid their employees better salaries and benefits than other retailers:

From: Study of Wal-Mart employees pay and turnover rate in Florida

CONCLUSIONS

Although the wage data available is quite limited, analysis of that data still reveals a great deal about Wal-Mart’s practices in the areas of worker pay and retention. More

precisely, the analysis corroborates oft-cited anecdotal conclusions about those practices.

1. Even under the most conservative assumptions, it is inescapable that the bulk of Wal-Mart positions pay extremely low wages and/or are part-time. Furthermore, the

effective pay rates for Wal-Mart workers are significantly lower than the figures the company has repeatedly touted publicly.

2. Constant turnover is the norm for Wal-Mart’s workforce. At current rates, as many as 3 out of 4 workers who began or will begin work with the company at some point

during 2005 will no longer be with the company as of the beginning of 2006.

3. The combined effect of low wages, dependence on part-time workers and continuous turnover is that the typical Wal-Mart worker is either a recent hire and/or earns a

poverty-level wage.

4. Turnover costs the company an astronomical amount of money (minimally $150 million in Florida in 2005). Reinvestment of this money in wages would promote retention and significantly raise the income of thousands of Wal-Mart workers earning at or below the poverty level.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

4. Reinvestment of this money in wages would promote retention and significantly raise the income of thousands of Wal-Mart workers earning at or below the poverty level.

sure sure........

[Robor007 0]

4. Reinvestment of this money in wages would promote retention and significantly raise the income of thousands of Wal-Mart workers earning at or below the poverty level.

sure sure........

I made that post in rebuttal to a previous post that applauded Wal-Mart for their excellent pay and benefits. That is not the case.

Do you disagree with only that statement or the conclusions as a whole? I guess it's debatable but in my employment experience higher wages in a position usually result in higher retention.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

4. Reinvestment of this money in wages would promote retention and significantly raise the income of thousands of Wal-Mart workers earning at or below the poverty level.

sure sure........

I made that post in rebuttal to a previous post that applauded Wal-Mart for their excellent pay and benefits. That is not the case.

Do you disagree with only that statement or the conclusions as a whole? I guess it's debatable but in my employment experience higher wages in a position usually result in higher retention.

You're assuming that Wal-Mart is interested in retention.

The word on the street is that they're not.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

4. Reinvestment of this money in wages would promote retention and significantly raise the income of thousands of Wal-Mart workers earning at or below the poverty level.

sure sure........

I made that post in rebuttal to a previous post that applauded Wal-Mart for their excellent pay and benefits. That is not the case.

Do you disagree with only that statement or the conclusions as a whole? I guess it's debatable but in my employment experience higher wages in a position usually result in higher retention.

i'm questioning if any research was really done for them to make that claim. pay and benefits are not a sure fire way to get people to stay.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

4. Reinvestment of this money in wages would promote retention and significantly raise the income of thousands of Wal-Mart workers earning at or below the poverty level.

sure sure........

I made that post in rebuttal to a previous post that applauded Wal-Mart for their excellent pay and benefits. That is not the case.

Do you disagree with only that statement or the conclusions as a whole? I guess it's debatable but in my employment experience higher wages in a position usually result in higher retention.

i'm questioning if any research was really done for them to make that claim. pay and benefits are not a sure fire way to get people to stay.

Its a pretty good one IMO. If you don't pay people what they're worth or that they can live comfortably on (above the poverty line) - it stands to reason that you're going to attract the desperate or the despondent. Neither of which are good promotable candidates. I think you'll find that WM, like a lot of retail chains has a very distinct class structure in place between the store staff and corporate.

[Sinergy 3]

We are not allowed to disagree with ONE thing according to Robor007, we have to agree with EVERYTHING or disagree with EVERYTHING or hes going to point it out that we only disagree on ONE thing.

i just want to see him post something that isnt written by someone else.